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QB CJ Stroud (All B1G, 2022 B1G QB of the Year, All-American, NFL OROY, Houston Texans)

Ohio State has lost a grand total of six games since 2018 while enjoying three of the most prolific QBs in Big Ten history.

That’s because of Ryan Day.

When we throw deep down field I no longer wonder if a receiver will be within 15 feet of where the ball lands. That was literally a problem for McCarthy all season, and was true even in The Game when the defense wasn’t blowing coverages so bad his receivers could stop undefended and wait to catch the ball.

Yeah, losing to Michigan and having our will challenged sucks… but it could be a lot worse. Be careful what you wish for…
 
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As this venting has continued and some nuggets emerged, I think the answer is that Ohio State needs to be much stronger. Not physically strong, emotionally strong. If you had Kerry Combs on that sideline as a cheerleader, Ohio State wins that game. They were beyond emotionally flat and they had no guidance to lift them from the depths. Day needed to walk the bench and elevate them. Stroud needed to do the same and lead with his body if necessary. My son's lasting memory of The Game, "they really let down that guy playing with two broken hands." There was no Eichenberg on the offense.

More than anything, they needed CJ Stroud to lift them. Not criticizing the kid, but that is not in his DNA. Think of Field getting knocked out of the game and coming in and dropping that TD dime. Cardell trucking that Bama player. That is just not physical strength, it is emotional leadership. That is toughness. That is what CJ Stroud needs to focus on if he wants to lead an offense on the field.
This. When you looked at the sideline cameras in the second half everyone looked disappointed. No one was there to pump them up. Easy when you are winning. Stroud was very stoic, and day was focusing on the next play talking to the box or talking to stroud. They needed a Kerry.
 
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Ohio State has lost a grand total of six games since 2018 while enjoying three of the most prolific QBs in Big Ten history.

That’s because of Ryan Day.

When we throw deep down field I no longer wonder if a receiver will be within 15 feet of where the ball lands. That was literally a problem for McCarthy all season, and was true even in The Game when the defense wasn’t blowing coverages so bad his receivers could stop undefended and wait to catch the ball.

Yeah, losing to Michigan and having our will challenged sucks… but it could be a lot worse. Be careful what you wish for…
True but I’d give up a little of the down field accuracy for better leadership or, as has been mentioned, a more dynamic “winner” that can scramble, scream at guys or anything else it takes to just win the damn game.

I realize too much credit and criticism can fall on the QB but there’s a logical reason it does.
 
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Ohio State has lost a grand total of six games since 2018 while enjoying three of the most prolific QBs in Big Ten history.

That’s because of Ryan Day.
Ryan Day's first four years as head coach (2019 to 2022) seem a Hell of a lot like John Cooper's four best years as head coach (1995 to 1998). Day has time to take his game to the next level, but will he? And if he doesn't, how many years will you (not just Dryden, but everyone reading this thread) accept of almost being the best?
 
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After cooling down some I will happily support Day for next year. He did pucker up and needs to either get over his nerves, or give up play calling. I would give up play calling if I was him. Also I just think its hard to think he would field a better team this year when we lost 2 WRs in the first RD, and then a 3rd was injured immediately. Also the running game was destroyed by injures.

So I would give up play calling, because he obviously was overwhelmed, and would see if the practice field needs a new surface, or look and see if the training staff needs tweaked.
 
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True but I’d give up a little of the down field accuracy for better leadership or, as has been mentioned, a more dynamic “winner” that can scramble, scream at guys or anything else it takes to just win the damn game.

I realize too much credit and criticism can fall on the QB but there’s a logical reason it does.

There's no doubt that CJ needs to be more of a 'gamer' that gets after his guys. He's learning how much more there is to being a QB than technique and manipulating coverage. And if their arms are equal, I'll take a mobile QB all day long. But that rarely seems to be the case.

I still think him not being dynamic is a minor issue with this offense, though. Sure, it could've solved problems, but those problems are the reason why we're talking about needing a QB that can scramble.

JT may have been the least athletic "running" QB we've had. He wasn't a statue, but was proof of concept that you don't have to be an elite athlete to be dangerous with your legs. As for Fields, him shredding the NFL with his legs makes it seem like his legs may have been seriously underutilized.

The biggest issue with Fields running was that he didn't want to, but when he did he was a bit reckless with his body. I have no doubt his legs would've been used to great effect in the playoffs if he hadn't been injured. 2019 was incredibly unlucky.
 
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In fairness ( don't get me wrong, I've always thought Jax is a great member our community here on BP) this is pretty much exactly how he sounded after The Game last year.

What happens is… you pay a boatload of money for a long trip just to watch tOSU lose to these bottom feeders for the second season in a row. It’s enough to melt anyone’s soul and turn your heart blacker than coal, so I don’t judge it.

I wanted to die all Saturday/Sunday/most of today and my trip was pretty short and sweet, despite having to walk for 8miles because I wandered aimlessly in the wrong direction for an hour or so just to get separation from their kind and avoid jail time.

Wait, what was I saying?

Fuck ‘em, forever. Something like that.
 
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Ohio State has lost a grand total of six games since 2018 while enjoying three of the most prolific QBs in Big Ten history.

That’s because of Ryan Day.

When we throw deep down field I no longer wonder if a receiver will be within 15 feet of where the ball lands. That was literally a problem for McCarthy all season, and was true even in The Game when the defense wasn’t blowing coverages so bad his receivers could stop undefended and wait to catch the ball.

Yeah, losing to Michigan and having our will challenged sucks… but it could be a lot worse. Be careful what you wish for…
You're absolutely right. We were incredibly fortunate from 2001-2018. Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer were two absolute home runs who not only won a lot overall, but also understood and relentlessly emphasized The Game.

Hiring Jim Tressel was incredibly risky. While he won a lot at YSU, dipping down into FCS (or Div II at the time) was something that major programs VERY rarely did then or now. Hell, I can't think of another "blue blood" that has done it off the top of my head. But, Jim Tressel quickly diagnosed the issues that plagued the Cooper era (not treating The Game as it should be & letting too many elite Ohio recruits get away) and immediately set to fixing them. He made The Game a primary focus all year long and "built a fence around Ohio." Yes, top Ohio kids sill signed elsewhere, but not like the 90's and Ohio became a primary focus in recruiting. Yes, his style of play wasn't nearly as "sexy" as other programs was wildly frustrating at times, but by and large it was successful. I tend to think "Tat-gate" may have been a blessing in disguise, because I just don't think "Tresselball" would have been sustainable as the game evolved in the 2010's.

We were very fortunate to have Urban Meyer, not only one of the best coaches in the game over the prior decade, but also an Ohio guy that had a deep love/respect for tOSU, available as we were looking for someone to steady the ship after a very tumultuous 10 months. He brought a modern approach and an exciting offense. His recruiting not only maintained a focus on Ohio, but also expanded nationally. As expected, he delivered unparalleled success. The downside to Meyer was that he was probably a bit, *ahem*, morally ambiguous in how he ran a program in some ways, and not surprisingly, it caught up to him. But his tenure made tOSU football one of the top two or three programs in the country.

That brings us to Ryan Day. Ryan Day objectively stepped into the perfect situation. Urban Meyer had put systems and processes into place that made the job pretty much "plug and play. Harbrau's "born on 3rd base" comment, while smug, may not have been far off. That said, there's not many coaches that could continue recruiting at the level he has and winning 90% of your games isn't easy anywhere and not many coaches not named Nick Saban can do it. The downside is obviously 1-2 vs scUM. Has he de-emphasized The Game? Nobody outside of the WHAC can really say for sure, but the results on the field are certainly quite concerning. It can be argued that Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer had the fortune of going up against a ttun program plunging into a 20 year malaise. But are they as good a program as the results of the last two matchups make them appear? I don't think so. I still believe an Urban Meyer coaches team wins last Saturday. Quite possibly last year, too.

I don't think many rational fans are saying we need to fire Ryan Day right now. I'm certainly not. I don't know who you bring in that is a sure-fire upgrade. Luke Fickell is in Madison now. Could he come home some day? Maybe. But while his tenure at UC was impressive, it's no guarantee he's as successful as Ryan Day in Columbus. Will be interesting to see how he does at Wiscy. Do we need a Buckeye to come in and fix the issues with The Game? Day is an "outsider", is that why we're slipping in that regard? If a "Buckeye" is a pre-requisite, that leaves Luke and Vrabel. Vrabel has done very well in the NFL, but how does he do as a college coach in a pressure cooker like his alma mater? It's a slippery slope.

My hope is that Ryan Day takes what happened as an opportunity for some self-reflection and sets about fixing what is wrong, because there are some serious issues within the program, at least in regards to the Game that need to be fixed before they metasticize and things spin out of control.
 
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You're absolutely right. We were incredibly fortunate from 2001-2018. Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer were two absolute home runs who not only won a lot overall, but also understood and relentlessly emphasized The Game.

Hiring Jim Tressel was incredibly risky. While he won a lot at YSU, dipping down into FCS (or Div II at the time) was something that major programs VERY rarely did then or now. Hell, I can't think of another "blue blood" that has done it off the top of my head. But, Jim Tressel quickly diagnosed the issues that plagued the Cooper era (not treating The Game as it should be & letting too many elite Ohio recruits get away) and immediately set to fixing them. He made The Game a primary focus all year long and "built a fence around Ohio." Yes, top Ohio kids sill signed elsewhere, but not like the 90's and Ohio became a primary focus in recruiting. Yes, his style of play wasn't nearly as "sexy" as other programs was wildly frustrating at times, but by and large it was successful. I tend to think "Tat-gate" may have been a blessing in disguise, because I just don't think "Tresselball" would have been sustainable as the game evolved in the 2010's.

We were very fortunate to have Urban Meyer, not only one of the best coaches in the game over the prior decade, but also an Ohio guy that had a deep love/respect for tOSU, available as we were looking for someone to steady the ship after a very tumultuous 10 months. He brought a modern approach and an exciting offense. His recruiting not only maintained a focus on Ohio, but also expanded nationally. As expected, he delivered unparalleled success. The downside to Meyer was that he was probably a bit, *ahem*, morally ambiguous in how he ran a program in some ways, and not surprisingly, it caught up to him. But his tenure made tOSU football one of the top two or three programs in the country.

That brings us to Ryan Day. Ryan Day objectively stepped into the perfect situation. Urban Meyer had put systems and processes into place that made the job pretty much "plug and play. Harbrau's "born on 3rd base" comment, while smug, may not have been far off. That said, there's not many coaches that could continue recruiting at the level he has and winning 90% of your games isn't easy anywhere and not many coaches not named Nick Saban can do it. The downside is obviously 1-2 vs scUM. Has he de-emphasized The Game? Nobody outside of the WHAC can really say for sure, but the results on the field are certainly quite concerning. It can be argued that Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer had the fortune of going up against a ttun program plunging into a 20 year malaise. But are they as good a program as the results of the last two matchups make them appear? I don't think so. I still believe an Urban Meyer coaches team wins last Saturday. Quite possibly last year, too.

I don't think many rational fans are saying we need to fire Ryan Day right now. I'm certainly not. I don't know who you bring in that is a sure-fire upgrade. Luke Fickell is in Madison now. Could he come home some day? Maybe. But while his tenure at UC was impressive, it's no guarantee he's as successful as Ryan Day in Columbus. Will be interesting to see how he does at Wiscy. Do we need a Buckeye to come in and fix the issues with The Game? Day is an "outsider", is that why we're slipping in that regard? If a "Buckeye" is a pre-requisite, that leaves Luke and Vrabel. Vrabel has done very well in the NFL, but how does he do as a college coach in a pressure cooker like his alma mater? It's a slippery slope.

My hope is that Ryan Day takes what happened as an opportunity for some self-reflection and sets about fixing what is wrong, because there are some serious issues within the program, at least in regards to the Game that need to be fixed before they metasticize and things spin out of control.
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His poor attitude shows through during interviews and in his body language. Can't have that at the most important position that requires the most leadership. I hope McCord or Brown exhibit more leadership

I honestly haven't seen a "poor attitude" out of CJ Stroud.

 
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I honestly haven't seen a "poor attitude" out of CJ Stroud.



I think a lot of this goes back to his comment about not running the ball because he isn’t a RB. Not saying I agree with it, just noting that it was not received well when it happened and has kind of followed him around ever since. I hear this brought up a lot when discussions about his lack of running is mentioned.
 
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