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QB CJ Stroud (All B1G, 2022 B1G QB of the Year, All-American, NFL OROY, Houston Texans)

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NFBuck said:
JT may have been the least athletic "running" QB we've had. He wasn't a statue, but was proof of concept that you don't have to be a elite athlete to be dangerous with your legs. As for Fields, him shredding the NFL with his legs makes it seem like his legs may have been seriously underutilized.
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We really just need someone to be Krenzel, when it comes to running.

Pick up some big 1st downs and what not here and there with the legs. They don't need to be busting constant huge runs, just do enough to make the defense have to think about it. That alone would open up a bit more for everyone else.
 
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A thought experiment concerning Stroud....

To follow is a list of ten of the most famous Buckeye pass plays this century (in chronological order):
  1. Holy Buckeye! (Craig Krenzel to Michael Jenkins vs Purdue in 2002)
  2. 4th-and-14 (Craig Krenzel to Michael Jenkins vs Miami in 2002 CFB title game)
  3. Coming Out Party (Troy Smith 68 yards to Anthony Gonzalez in the 2004 Game)
  4. The Catch (Troy Smith to Anthony Gonzalez in the 2005 Game)
  5. The Heisman Moment (Troy Smith to Brian Robiskie vs Penn State in 2006)
  6. 3rd-and-13 (Terrelle Pryor to Jake Ballard in 2010 Rose Bowl vs Oregon)
  7. The Wisconsin Hail Mary (Braxton Miller to Devin Smith in 2011)
  8. The Penn State Comeback (JT Barrett to Marcus Baugh for the win)
  9. Trickeration in the Sugar Bowl (Evan Spencer to Michael Thomas vs Alabama)
  10. The Clemson Dagger (Justin Fields 56 yards to Chris Olave in the 2020 playoffs)
Many of these plays were essentially game winners (numbers 1, 4, 7, and 8); and most of the rest were huge plays in huge games (numbers 2, 3, 6, 9, and 10). The only play that wasn't particularly consequential was Troy Smith's Heisman Moment, which came in 22-point win against a fairly mediocre Penn State team that finished 9-4 and #24/25 in the final polls.

How many of these plays does Stroud definitely make? How many does he definitely not make? There's no way to say with any degree of certainty, but I say that Stroud doesn't make numbers 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7, all of which were mobile QBs creating something out of nothing; I also say that plays 1 and 2 were all about Craig Krenzel being a cold-blooded assassin and having superior pocket presence, two things that I have not seen consistently from Stroud; Stroud probably makes the last three plays fairly easily.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
We really just need someone to be Krenzel, when it comes to running.

Pick up some big 1st downs and what not here and there with the legs. They don't need to be busting constant huge runs, just do enough to make the defense have to think about it. That alone would open up a bit more for everyone else.
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Craig Krenzel was the leading rusher (both teams) in the 2002 NC game, with 19 carries for 81 yards and 2 TDs. As a passer he wasn't so hot, completing only 7 of 21 (.333) for 122 yards, no TDs, and 2 INTs ... but he converted that huge 4th-and-14 in overtime that kept Ohio State alive.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
A thought experiment concerning Stroud....

To follow is a list of ten of the most famous Buckeye pass plays this century (in chronological order):
  1. Holy Buckeye! (Craig Krenzel to Michael Jenkins vs Purdue in 2002)
  2. 4th-and-14 (Craig Krenzel to Michael Jenkins vs Miami in 2002 CFB title game)
  3. Coming Out Party (Troy Smith 68 yards to Anthony Gonzalez in the 2004 Game)
  4. The Catch (Troy Smith to Anthony Gonzalez in the 2005 Game)
  5. The Heisman Moment (Troy Smith to Brian Robiskie vs Penn State in 2006)
  6. 3rd-and-13 (Terrelle Pryor to Jake Ballard in 2010 Rose Bowl vs Oregon)
  7. The Wisconsin Hail Mary (Braxton Miller to Devin Smith in 2011)
  8. The Penn State Comeback (JT Barrett to Marcus Baugh for the win)
  9. Trickeration in the Sugar Bowl (Evan Spencer to Michael Thomas vs Alabama)
  10. The Clemson Dagger (Justin Fields 56 yards to Chris Olave in the 2020 playoffs)
Many of these plays were essentially game winners (numbers 1, 4, 7, and 8); and most of the rest were huge plays in huge games (numbers 2, 3, 6, 9, and 10). The only play that wasn't particularly consequential was Troy Smith's Heisman Moment, which came in 22-point win against a fairly mediocre Penn State team that finished 9-4 and #24/25 in the final polls.

How many of these plays does Stroud definitely make? How many does he definitely not make? There's no way to say with any degree of certainty, but I say that Stroud doesn't make numbers 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7, all of which were mobile QBs creating something out of nothing; I also say that plays 1 and 2 were all about Craig Krenzel being a cold-blooded assassin and having superior pocket presence, two things that I have not seen consistently from Stroud; Stroud probably makes the last three plays fairly easily.
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Krenzel doesn't get the love he deserves. His numbers were mediocre (hell, bad by today's standard), but he made some amazing plays and was pretty damn clutch.
 
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As an alum of FSU, I go back and forth on what I think OSU would look like if they had Jordan Travis.

Probably far more explosive plays, but far less passing yards (since Travis uses legs so much). Our run game would be infinitely better….just look at FSU’s run game…direct reflection of having to stay honest on Jordan Travis.

The issue is, I don’t see the ability to recruit elite WR’s with a QB like Jordan Travis. It’s a catch 22. He can throw a bit, but no receiver wants to go to a school where the QB is going to eat into their opportunities.

Day is riding with elite passing QB’s, elite pure WR’s, and a pro-style O-line.

I can’t say I disagree, although it’d be insanely fun to see what an OSU offense would look like with an athletic freak like Jordan Travis.
 
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billmac91 said:
As an alum of FSU, I go back and forth on what I think OSU would look like if they had Jordan Travis.

Probably far more explosive plays, but far less passing yards (since Travis uses legs so much). Our run game would be infinitely better….just look at FSU’s run game…direct reflection of having to stay honest on Jordan Travis.

The issue is, I don’t see the ability to recruit elite WR’s with a QB like Jordan Travis. It’s a catch 22. He can throw a bit, but no receiver wants to go to a school where the QB is going to eat into their opportunities.

Day is riding with elite passing QB’s, elite pure WR’s, and a pro-style O-line.

I can’t say I disagree, although it’d be insanely fun to see what an OSU offense would look like with an athletic freak like Jordan Travis.
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Short of someone the level of Fields or Caleb Williams at both I don't think you're going to get that. And there is maybe 1 or 2 guys at that level per year.

I think what we need is not a running QB like that but someone who can make people miss to make plays. Think more of a Bryce Young style then a Caleb Williams
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
A thought experiment concerning Stroud....

To follow is a list of ten of the most famous Buckeye pass plays this century (in chronological order):
  1. Holy Buckeye! (Craig Krenzel to Michael Jenkins vs Purdue in 2002)
  2. 4th-and-14 (Craig Krenzel to Michael Jenkins vs Miami in 2002 CFB title game)
  3. Coming Out Party (Troy Smith 68 yards to Anthony Gonzalez in the 2004 Game)
  4. The Catch (Troy Smith to Anthony Gonzalez in the 2005 Game)
  5. The Heisman Moment (Troy Smith to Brian Robiskie vs Penn State in 2006)
  6. 3rd-and-13 (Terrelle Pryor to Jake Ballard in 2010 Rose Bowl vs Oregon)
  7. The Wisconsin Hail Mary (Braxton Miller to Devin Smith in 2011)
  8. The Penn State Comeback (JT Barrett to Marcus Baugh for the win)
  9. Trickeration in the Sugar Bowl (Evan Spencer to Michael Thomas vs Alabama)
  10. The Clemson Dagger (Justin Fields 56 yards to Chris Olave in the 2020 playoffs)
Many of these plays were essentially game winners (numbers 1, 4, 7, and 8); and most of the rest were huge plays in huge games (numbers 2, 3, 6, 9, and 10). The only play that wasn't particularly consequential was Troy Smith's Heisman Moment, which came in 22-point win against a fairly mediocre Penn State team that finished 9-4 and #24/25 in the final polls.

How many of these plays does Stroud definitely make? How many does he definitely not make? There's no way to say with any degree of certainty, but I say that Stroud doesn't make numbers 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7, all of which were mobile QBs creating something out of nothing; I also say that plays 1 and 2 were all about Craig Krenzel being a cold-blooded assassin and having superior pocket presence, two things that I have not seen consistently from Stroud; Stroud probably makes the last three plays fairly easily.
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My only issue with this list would be Pryors pass to Ballard in the Rose Bowl when OSU already lead 19-17. It was essentially a jump ball into bracketed coverage in which Ballard bailed out Pryor. I would have Stroud’s final TD to JSN against Utah to break a 38-all tie ahead of that. I don’t think any other OSU QB on this list can make that throw, and I doubt any other OSU receiver other than JSN, Olave, or Michael Thomas could make that catch.
 
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