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QB Cardale '12 Gauge' Jones (B1G Champion, National Champion)

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I'd love to see him with the Browns, but at this point I would never draft him higher than the 3rd or 4th round. With his lack of experience he'll need at least a year or two to prepare for an NFL offense, but he would probably show better at the combine than anyone else. As well as JT played I don't know how you put Cardale on the bench. If Cardale can come back and give us 15 more games like his past 3 he'll be the #1 pick next year. JT would still have 2 years left after that and seems to be a good enough team guy that he would be ok with it.

The odd man out seems to be Braxton. Given that he is the 3rd best passer of the 3 and has been injury prone so far in his career I think his best bet at the NFL would be to transfer. If I could only keep two of them it would be JT and Cardale. On the other hand it would kill me to see Braxton transfer and have to face him next year in the postseason.
 
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Serious question: what do Mariota and Winston have over Cardale that make them these consensus top-10 picks? Just experience? Because as a Bills fan I look at EJ Manuel, who has very similar measurables to Jones and got drafted #16 overall just for being a multi-year starter and team leader, and I think, boy, a lot of good all that experience did for him in the NFL.
 
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BayBuck said:
Serious question: what do Mariota and Winston have over Cardale that make them these consensus top-10 picks? Just experience? Because as a Bills fan I look at EJ Manuel, who has very similar measurables to Jones and got drafted #16 overall just for being a multi-year starter and team leader, and I think, boy, a lot of good all that experience did for him in the NFL.
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Experience is it. Cardale would have the best arm in the draft this year if he declared. I am most impressed by his release and his anticipation -- so advanced given the limited reps and game experience. He has NFL tools and an NFL body. One scout last night suggested he's a raw Roethlisberger.

Winston and Mariota are known-commodities at this point, and I don't think either are legitimate NFL franchise QBs. Jones realistically could be.

The sample size is just so ridiculously small it's really unprecedented, aside from maybe Matt Cassel. The difference though is Cassel was a safe, developmental/insurance pick in the 7th round. NE didn't take Cassel to be the franchise QB.
 
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buckeyebri said:
If Cardale does go and I am a team with an aging QB or one I want to replace in a couple of years, I think he would be perfect. A chance to get paid and go somewhere to learn, prep, etc. ala Aaron Rogers
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Denver Broncos, Buffalo Bills, New York Jets, New England Patriots, Tennesse Titans, Washington Redskins to name a few
 
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BayBuck said:
Serious question: what do Mariota and Winston have over Cardale that make them these consensus top-10 picks? Just experience? Because as a Bills fan I look at EJ Manuel, who has very similar measurables to Jones and got drafted #16 overall just for being a multi-year starter and team leader, and I think, boy, a lot of good all that experience did for him in the NFL.
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I don't think Mariota is an NFL QB any more than I thought Manziel was an NFL QB. One read and run doesn't assimilate to pro football. Winston has a shot. He's a better pocket passer and has run an offense more similar to an NFL one than what Mariota ran at Oregon.

Cardale has all of the physical tools and seems to have the poise. Whether he can read defenses well enough remains to be seen.
 
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buckeyebri said:
If Cardale does go and I am a team with an aging QB or one I want to replace in a couple of years, I think he would be perfect. A chance to get paid and go somewhere to learn, prep, etc. ala Aaron Rogers
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There is one difference now. When Rodgers was drafted free agency wasn't available until year 6. Now it comes in year 4. You don't have as much time to develop a QB on the bench before you have to decide whether he's a keeper or not.
 
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Dryden said:
Experience is it. Cardale would have the best arm in the draft this year if he declared. I am most impressed by his release and his anticipation -- so advanced given the limited reps and game experience. He has NFL tools and an NFL body. One scout last night suggested he's a raw Roethlisberger.

Winston and Mariota are known-commodities at this point, and I don't think either are legitimate NFL franchise QBs. Jones realistically could be.

The sample size is just so ridiculously small it's really unprecedented, aside from maybe Matt Cassel. The difference though is Cassel was a safe, developmental/insurance pick in the 7th round. NE didn't take Cassel to be the franchise QB.
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I've heard it said also that the lack of tape would help him in that there is really less to pick apart so they are relying on 3 really good games from him plus interviews and workouts...
 
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Cardale, Cardale, Cardale.
The QB who will lead us to the 2015 national title! Another splendid, Garbage time performance, 6.0 yards per carry, and both passed hit his receivers in the hands.

The above was posted on page 33 of this thread, November 2, 2013. I must have had something to good to smoke that day. I hope he declares for the draft, maybe Torrance Gibson will stop taking visits.
 
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The NFL is far more cerebral than CFB. That's great he's 250 and 6'5 but the NFL is about watching tons of film and dissecting very complex defenses. Cardale got a lot of success based on teams having little film on him. Producing at a high rate when defenses know your tendencies is what top QBs do. Cardale isn't close to ready; but I could see him striking while the iron is hot, and I don't see it getting hotter. He could realistically go back to OSU and sit the bench. Or he could leave and be drafted in the 4-6th rounds, depending on how he doesn't at the combine and pro day. It's a very dicey situation to be in, and quite a unique one. Jameis and Marcus are in better positions because they have much more game reps and have seen so many more defensive schemes and been in game time situations. Cardale has been in 3 very big situations, but at the end of the day he's been in 3 situations, and the staff leaned harder on Elliott than they did on Cardale, stark contrast to when JT was under center and the passing game was utilized more. And by passing game, I mean short and intermediate, as that's more NFL realistic. Cardale won't have the luxury of slinging the ball 50+ yards in the NFL, NFL DBs would pick those errant passes off, and most of his deep throws we're caught when the WR was well ahead of the DB, again unlikely in the NFL where windows are much tighter and there isnt the same time given to throw deep a lot, much more looking on all your progressions, which is JT's strong suit. For now though, Cardale is king, and a Buckeye legend. Hell be a trivia question as to who was the first ever(and maybe only) QB to win an NC, and may never have to pay for a meal again in Cleveland or Columbus
 
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