QB Cardale '12 Gauge' Jones (B1G Champion, National Champion)

[pnuts34]

There are plenty of good reasons to do it. Tactically speaking, you have an extra blocker on those plays. On certain variations you can attack the line more quickly without having to make a read or handoff. And not that this is in the playbook much any longer, but you can start the play from under center and attack from closer to the line instead of handing the ball off 5-7 yards deep in the backfield.

I agree with the second part of your point though - Barrett is going to be the guy and I don't really see situational substitutions being a significant part of the plan. One factor that nobody is talking about yet is that by losing Miller they didn't just lose a star and a starter, but they also lost depth at the QB (insofar as what they had could be considered "depth".) This team is now one play away from starting its 3rd string QB. It's probably best for that player to be preparing as if he might be called upon to start and run the full offense rather than preparing mainly for goalline packages like some sort of bullpen specialist.

Exactly. Idk why with JT now starting thoughts of using Cardale would come up to be used situationally. Can't we be content with our new starting qb before we want to start talking about other packages? The RBs should be emphasized more with JT starting, not our backup QB. Honestly Cardale shouldn't be thought of on goal line for the simple fact that we now have little to no depth at QB if god forbid JT went down. That would mean were one step closer to having to play a true frosh or a walk on. Thanks but no thanks on Cardale risking injury to gain 3yds. That's why we have a full stable of RBs

 

[RB07OSU]

I thought the same thing today. I'm not so much terrified of JT going down because Cardale would come in (I think Cardale would do ok)...I am moreso terrified that it means we could also be a play away from Collier coming in. The QB depth is not a strength and that is exacerbated with Braxton out. Really hope both guys stay healthy.

 

[OhioState001]

I thought the same thing today. I'm not so much terrified of JT going down because Cardale would come in (I think Cardale would do ok)...I am moreso terrified that it means we could also be a play away from Collier coming in. The QB depth is not a strength and that is exacerbated with Braxton out. Really hope both guys stay healthy.

I don't think there is a team out there that would feel good about their 4th string QB playing.

 

[pnuts34]

I don't think there is a team out there that would feel good about their 4th string QB playing.

I don't think there are any teams in the NC hunt that are as close to using their 4th string QB as OSU. Matter of fact there aren't any teams in the NC hunt who's top 2 QBs have absolutely no college game experience.

 

[BuckeyeNation36]

Come on now. Alabama and many other top teams are making a transition this year to new QB's and aren't sure they have 1 good starter.

Barrett has been taking reps and will be more ready than most 1st year starters at QB. All part of the college game.

Growing pains but we'll survive.

 

[Mike80]

I don't think there are any teams in the NC hunt that are as close to using their 4th string QB as OSU. Matter of fact there aren't any teams in the NC hunt who's top 2 QBs have absolutely no college game experience.

So in your estimation, how close is Ohio State to using its 4th string QB??? You act like it's an imminent development or something.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I don't think there are any teams in the NC hunt that are as close to using their 4th string QB as OSU. Matter of fact there aren't any teams in the NC hunt who's top 2 QBs have absolutely no college game experience.

I'm pretty sure that Florida State won a national championship last year with a quarterback who entered the season with "absolutely no college game experience."

 

[pnuts34]

I'm pretty sure that Florida State won a national championship last year with a quarterback who entered the season with "absolutely no college game experience."

I'm also pretty sure that Winston was set to be the starter and had more preparation with the first team than JT has had. I have no problems with JT as a starter, but I don't think he's going to be the vocal point of the offense, comparing Barrett to Winston is quite laughable. Barrett hasn't shown the arm strength or accuracy on Winston's level, so calm down with that far off comparison. Winston coming Intl last season had far less question marks about his game.
@Mike80 , playing the now 3rd string QB isn't something imminent like in tomorrow. But it certainly gets ramped up if we plan on running Cardale for short yardage situations. We go 5+ deep at RB, with almost all having game experience. We have 1 QB who has played a college football game, and our starter doesn't. I'd be much more protective of our qbs now then a week ago.

 

[pnuts34]

Come on now. Alabama and many other top teams are making a transition this year to new QB's and aren't sure they have 1 good starter.

Barrett has been taking reps and will be more ready than most 1st year starters at QB. All part of the college game.

Growing pains but we'll survive.

I can agree with this. I'm sure urban and company will make sure he's as ready as they can get him in a 2wk period to be the starter. And yes, there will certainly be growing pains

 

[Mike80]

I'm also pretty sure that Winston was set to be the starter and had more preparation with the first team than JT has had. I have no problems with JT as a starter, but I don't think he's going to be the vocal point of the offense, comparing Barrett to Winston is quite laughable. Barrett hasn't shown the arm strength or accuracy on Winston's level, so calm down with that far off comparison. Winston coming Intl last season had far less question marks about his game.
@Mike80 , playing the now 3rd string QB isn't something imminent like in tomorrow. But it certainly gets ramped up if we plan on running Cardale for short yardage situations. We go 5+ deep at RB, with almost all having game experience. We have 1 QB who has played a college football game, and our starter doesn't. I'd be much more protective of our qbs now then a week ago.

Ummm Cardale isn't the 3rd string QB anymore. JT isn't the 2nd string QB anymore. Get it right.

As for Cardale running the ball - you can either leave him on the sideline or keep him involved so he pushes JT in practice in some sort of competition so JT will push himself more to get better at his game. And you never, ever, limit yourself on a potential package, option, especially given Cardale's size and potential as a weapon. The hand-wringing you are doing is very unwarranted.

 

[Bucklion]

"strings" aren't the same in college as they are in the pros, either, necessarily. Sometimes the guys behind the starters have as much, or more, talent as the starters, they just have less experience or just got to college, or need to learn the playbook better, or learn how to break down film, or whatever. So just because ZOMG We might play QBs 2 and 3!!111!111!!!1!1111!! doesn't mean those guys aren't good enough. Now in the NFL, you're dicked if you get to the 3rd guy...but in college, not necessarily.

 

[pnuts34]

Ummm Cardale isn't the 3rd string QB anymore. JT isn't the 2nd string QB anymore. Get it right.

As for Cardale running the ball - you can either leave him on the sideline or keep him involved so he pushes JT in practice in some sort of competition so JT will push himself more to get better at his game. And you never, ever, limit yourself on a potential package, option, especially given Cardale's size and potential as a weapon. The hand-wringing you are doing is very unwarranted.

I wasn't talking about cardale as 3rd I was referring to Collier, who would be forced into action if Cardale was hurt trying to get a few yards.
Its not hand wringing to give another perspective. I don't see a point in running a qb when we have a loaded RB corp. If Cardale can't push JT in practice than we have some bigger problems. I'm sure Urban and Herman can find plenty of packages without using Cardale. Just my opinion. For all I know he could be run and make a game winning TD. I just see more of a risk with already 1 QB out for the year.

 

[Bucklion]

"strings" aren't the same in college as they are in the pros, either, necessarily. Sometimes the guys behind the starters have as much, or more, talent as the starters, they just have less experience or just got to college, or need to learn the playbook better, or learn how to break down film, or whatever. So just because ZOMG We might play QBs 2 and 3!!111!111!!!1!1111!! doesn't mean those guys aren't good enough. Now in the NFL, you're dicked if you get to the 3rd guy...but in college, not necessarily.

I should add...this is where that difference between an OSU and a MAC school really comes though that they always talk about on TV in terms of depth. If a MAC team is playing their 2nd or 3rd guy, they are probably dicked more than a Khardashian at an NBA shootaround. At a place like OSU, the depth in recruiting quality players should make that dropoff bearable, even if there is a dropoff.

 

[pnuts34]

I should add...this is where that difference between an OSU and a MAC school really comes though that they always talk about on TV in terms of depth. If a MAC team is playing their 2nd or 3rd guy, they are probably dicked more than a Khardashian at an NBA shootaround. At a place like OSU, the depth in recruiting quality players should make that dropoff bearable, even if there is a dropoff.

So you'd be as comfortable with Stephen Collier starting rather than Braxton Miller?
I hope JT has enough separation that he's the proven starter. Because the adage tends to be true, if you have 2 QBs you don't have 1...

 

[LordJeffBuck]

comparing Barrett to Winston is quite laughable.

Comparing completely unproven Jameis Winston (2013) to completely unproven J.T. Barrett (2014)? Not laughable in the least.

Comparing Heisman Trophy winner, national championship QB Jameis Winston to completely unproven J.T. Barrett? That is what you are trying to do, and yes, it is quite laughable.

Barrett hasn't shown the arm strength or accuracy on Winston's level, so calm down with that far off comparison.

Barrett hasn't shown anything, because he hasn't played. Just like Winston last year.

Comparing two redshirt freshmen with zero experience is not a "far off comparison."

And as far as "calming down", you are the one who made the argument that Ohio State can't be in the national championship hunt because their starting QB has no experience. I proved you wrong. Maybe you're the one who needs to "calm down" off of your argument.