QB Cardale '12 Gauge' Jones (B1G Champion, National Champion)

[MaxBuck]

Bull[Mark May]. You take a very cynical attitidue, as if every 4 and 5 star athlete is an illiterate. ...

The average entering SAT for football players vs. regular freshman at Ohio State is almost 300 points lower. That's not a healthy dynamic.

Are you aware that you're essentially making my point for me?

There are a lot of reasons why it's a good idea to broaden the student body with athletes whose background differs from that of the other students. Not to mention that, nobody wants to see a footrace between MENSA members.

 

[DiamondBuck]

Are you aware that you're essentially making my point for me?

There are a lot of reasons why it's a good idea to broaden the student body with athletes whose background differs from that of the other students. Not to mention that, nobody wants to see a footrace between MENSA members.

Could you be any more hyperbolic with the MENSA remark? Many people are interested in watching the best competitors within a given group. That group might be the local high school boys- certainly a group with skills inferior to those possessed by the best male athletes at a large college. Likewise, the talent displayed by college players is inferior to that in the NFL and yet college football is immensely popular. If the group of men playing college football was restricted via the requirement of earnest academic integration within the university I do not think college football would become unwatchable.

 

[jwinslow]

If the group of men playing college football was restricted via the requirement of earnest academic integration within the university I do not think college football would become unwatchable.

how many thousand watch the intramural championships?

 

[jwinslow]

I will expect college athletes to uphold the virtues and purity of academic pursuit right after those academic institutions start doing the same with amateurism.

 

[DiamondBuck]

how many thousand watch the intramural championships?

I just don't see the comparison. The drop in talent between the athletes on the football team and an intramural tream is huge. Scholarship athletes get specialized training, etc. Intramural teams do not.

 

[DiamondBuck]

I will expect college athletes to uphold the virtues and purity of academic pursuit right after those academic institutions start doing the same with amateurism.

We're on the same side here. The schools admit the athletes- it's up to the schools to decide they will offer scholarships to athletes who value the educational opportunity and are reasonably equipped the perform academically. My point was that, in my opinion, football would still be popular if the pool of eligible athletes was moderately reduced.

 

[jlb1705]

 

[3074326]

I didn't play football and thought class was pointless half the time. Biggest non-story ever.

 

[Bucklion]

I didn't play football and thought class was pointless half the time. Biggest non-story ever.

And of course everyone would be saying the exact same thing if this was an Alabama QB, right? Or what about Michigan? Don't think there would be a few hundred posts about "kinesiology" here if that were the case?

It's not a non-story when it makes the team and/or the school look bad. I don't mean to "go all Maxbuck(TM)" on people, but I don't think this would be a non-story here if he played for Alabama, Michigan or Penn State.

 

[MU-Buck]

Can't these kids practically major in "sports" now? Get a physical education major, then if football doesn't pan out, get a job teaching and coaching afterwards... Hang around 5 years and get your masters degree, if football doesn't pan out go get an AD job? I know there would still be a number of classes they won't find interesting, but a number of classes on being a good teacher and methods on teaching would help them become better students (and students of the game) too.

 

[Coqui]

And of course everyone would be saying the exact same thing if this was an Alabama QB, right? Or what about Michigan? Don't think there would be a few hundred posts about "kinesiology" here if that were the case?

Picking a worthless major or not attending classes are completely different that complaining about having to go to class.

We'd all be fighting to get him off the team if he didn't go to classes.

 

[Buckeye doc]

And of course everyone would be saying the exact same thing if this was an Alabama QB, right? Or what about Michigan? Don't think there would be a few hundred posts about "kinesiology" here if that were the case?

It's not a non-story when it makes the team and/or the school look bad. I don't mean to "go all Maxbuck(TM)" on people, but I don't think this would be a non-story here if he played for Alabama, Michigan or Penn State.

Oh, I think we'd be laughing and poking fun at the school if it had been someone else (hard to imagine these haven't already occurred, actually - just haven't been published nationally). But, speaking for myself, it wouldn't be surprising or proof of anything we don't already know about college football. And it's not just BCS schools, either. I would be willing to lay a large wager that many kids playing at YSU or Mount Union don't really care much about education, either.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

On the other hand, the problem would also be solved to a great extent by simply allowing collegiate athletes major in professional sports with a specialization in their particular sport. It's an industry that generates billions and employes thousands of people, from jr. High coaching assistants to the highest paid athletes and professional coaches. Professional sports are just another from of performance art. Put some of the assistant coaches on staff, put together a curriculum and grant those that complete it a B.A. and call it a day.

Making a football player or basketball player pick a major that has nothing to do with sports makes about as much sense as requiring a pre-med major to take archery.

Many major public universities do offer sports management degrees along with phys ed, kinesiology, exercise "science" or whatever else they're calling it these days. How much further do we need to dilute the curriculum to cater to what might be half a football team (I'm assuming that some still want to get a real education)? 40 students out of 40K.

Besides, that really does nothing towards getting those players who really shouldn't be in a university setting in any event off campus and into a d-league.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Are you aware that you're essentially making my point for me?

There are a lot of reasons why it's a good idea to broaden the student body with athletes whose background differs from that of the other students. Not to mention that, nobody wants to see a footrace between MENSA members.

My point is that not ALL those 4 and 5 star players are borderline illiterate, and I feel most of them would still be attracted to a college program. There are enough of them, however, that they drag the average down that low. The goal would be to remove those who are and are only in a college program because they're forced to in order to pursue their nfl dreams. Give them a d-league where they can pursue that dream for a moderate salary and take their corrupting influence out of the colleges.

 

[Zander42]

Many major public universities do offer sports management degrees along with phys ed, kinesiology, exercise "science" or whatever else they're calling it these days. How much further do we need to dilute the curriculum to cater to what might be half a football team (I'm assuming that some still want to get a real education)? 40 students out of 40K.

Besides, that really does nothing towards getting those players who really shouldn't be in a university setting in any event off campus and into a d-league.

I think the reason that those majors are considered to be dumbing down of the curriculum is specifically because they are a wink and a nod toward getting the athletes eligible. I don't think offering professional sports as a major (with a sport specialization) is any more of diluting of curriculum than that of offering art or music to those interested in that career path. Does Julliard School have a diluted curriculum? Ohio State, along with the 10-15 other elite football schools, are simply the Julliards of sports.