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BrutusMaximus;750107; said:
That is correct, but that is also because we receive maybe 3 wii's every 2 weeks, and about 12 ps3's a week.
Who is "we"? The Target near me received 16 Wii's this Sunday. They were sold out at 7:30 AM, and they didn't even open until 8:00. There are 2 PS3s in the display case right now, and they've been there for two weeks.

BrutusMaximus;750107; said:
Mind you, I am not justifying the purchase of a PS3, or the price, or the blueray, etc. I am simply saying that I have no idea how someone can compare the PS3 and the wii, and call the wii a "groundbreaking" console. The only thing "groundbreaking" about it is the motion sensor stuff, which is not exactly an amazing feet, and gets old after about an hour. It is like paying $250 to go play a couple games at the arcade, then leaving to go back home. It will also sell more because it is $250, and parents are gonna instantly go for the cheaper system.
It is groundbreaking in that it approaches the market sideways and is an accessible gaming device for anyone from 8 to 80. It is renewing interest in gaming by people who are disenchanted with todays same old rehashed crap.

It is fair to compare all the current consoles because consumers can only afford one, maybe two, and the unanimous choice today is the "Wii-60," since you can purchase the 360 and the Wii for the price of a PS3. Third party developers have been tripping over the Wii since May 2006, and you can read any number of comments from dozens of different companies saying "We are going to develop aggressively for the Wii."

To say the third party support isn't there is obtuse and deliberately false when there are over 104 different third party developers with titles announced, and over 500 developer kits have been distributed thus far. You honestly believe game designers want to make games for the PS3 over the Wii, when the Wii is outselling the PS3 more than 3:1 and costs less than half to develop for?!

Of the 10 best selling titles all time for the PlayStation and PlayStation 2, three of them were Grand Theft Autos, three were Maddens, three were Grand Turismos and one was Crash Bandicoot. The Wii already has Madden and has Take 2/Rockstar on board, confirmed with Manhunt 2 and rumored with GTA-V.

Sony is in disarray. They have lost over 1 billion USD on 2005's rootkit fiasco, and the suits have taken over and outed the tech minds. Ken Kutaragi, the mastermind behind the PlayStation, was demoted two years ago when the suits clashed with the PS3 dev team over Blu-Ray. They are losing anywhere from $200 - $400 on every PS3 they sell (depending on which version you read), while Nintendo is making over $100 on their hardware. Sony loses money to build the system, and they're sitting unsold all over the place!

Developers from EA to Sega to Namco to Ubisoft say they don't like the PS3's architecture, it's less powerful than the 360, and the poor interpretation of the SIXAXIS controller in lieu of rumble was a huge mistake. Heck, one of EA's own bigwigs posted on Free Republic a few days ago that the rumblings around EA's HQ is that they need to go with the Wii unless there is a major change with the PS3 (read: Sony slashes the price in half). Not coincidentally, Fight Night was announced for the Wii that same afternoon. Also not coincidentally, Sony's sales director for the UK quit his job yesterday. I would note the PS3 is not even available in the UK yet, and it is telling that the sales director just up-and-left the market rather than deal with the eminent failure of the PS3's launch there in five weeks.

BrutusMaximus;750107; said:
Dont get me wrong, I think the thing is great for kids, as is the DS, the Gamecube, etc.......but for a "hardcore gamer", not a chance. Every game on the system that would actually be interesting, I would much rather play on the PC, PS3, 360, etc. Unless of course you believe that cooking mama and elebits are "hardcore" games :biggrin:
It isn't for kids, and neither is the DS, unless you think its kids that bought 37.5 million DS handhelds to play Sudoku and Brain Age! :roll2:

Casual gamers aren't the ones that are standing in lines outside stores at 2AM in 0-degree weather to get the Wii, either. It's four months in now, and the Wii is up to 4.7M units in sales and momentum is as strong as ever -- they are halfway to the 360 already, and the 360 had more than a year head start.

BrutusMaximus;750107; said:
I personally think that the Wii will be their last system. At least I hope so.
Geez. Biased much? Did the CEO of Nintendo run over your dog? Why would you care if they made another system or not?
 
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Geez. Biased much? Did the CEO of Nintendo run over your dog? Why would you care if they made another system or not?

:biggrin: Good stuff. Ok, I like a good debate.

Who is "we"? The Target near me received 16 Wii's this Sunday. They were sold out at 7:30 AM, and they didn't even open until 8:00. There are 2 PS3s in the display case right now, and they've been there for two weeks.

I work at an EB games. We have had maybe 15 Wii's since christmas. Of course we are always sold out, cause Nintendo never ships us any.

A casual gamer will play the Wii, because A. It's cheap, and B. You can play it for 10 minutes and put it down. Hardcore, die hard gamers could give 2 shits about it. You mean to tell me that you would rather play something like Splinter Cell, Call of Duty 3, Or Farcry on the Wii, rather than the 360, PS3, or PC? The Wii's graphics look like ass. In fact, the Gamecube looks as good.

To say the third party support isn't there is obtuse and deliberately false when there are over 104 different third party developers with titles announced, and over 500 developer kits have been distributed thus far. You honestly believe game designers want to make games for the PS3 over the Wii, when the Wii is outselling the PS3 more than 3:1 and costs less than half to develop for?!

Will believe it when I see it. Right now at this moment, I look at the coming soon list, and I see nothing worth a damn. Mario this, Mario that. You mentioned Madden as a title. The Gamecube also had Madden, and it failed miserably. Sports gamers want features and graphics.

Of the 10 best selling titles all time for the PlayStation and PlayStation 2, three of them were Grand Theft Autos, three were Maddens, three were Grand Turismos and one was Crash Bandicoot. The Wii already has Madden and has Take 2/Rockstar on board, confirmed with Manhunt 2 and rumored with GTA

Variety.........that is what the PS1 and PS2 both had. Games for everyone. Nintendo hasnt had that since the Super NES. Will the Wii be different? Maybe, but I cant see it so far. We have demo units for the PS3, 360, and Wii in our store. People walk in, look at them, and I can literally hear them say "Look how nice the 360 looks..........oooo and the PS3 looks better. The Wii doesnt have very good graphics, does it?" Mind you, I think TOO much attention is paid to graphics, but that is the fact.

It isn't for kids, and neither is the DS, unless you think its kids that bought 37.5 million DS handhelds to play Sudoku and Brain Age! :roll2:

Ahh my bad. So it's for kids and 50 year old mom's to play while waiting to pick their kids up from soccer practice :biggrin:

Casual gamers aren't the ones that are standing in lines outside stores at 2AM in 0-degree weather to get the Wii, either. It's four months in now, and the Wii is up to 4.7M units in sales and momentum is as strong as ever -- they are halfway to the 360 already, and the 360 had more than a year head

Because it's cheaper. Parents see that $250 price tag, and are going to buy it hands down over the 360 and the PS3 of course. As I said though, we have also had probably 6 of them traded in already because the owner was bored within a week. The Wii is like a $250 trip to the arcade. I would pick up that remote, play it for 10 minutes, and put it down and walk away. You still seem to think that I am saying "Oh my god, the PS3 pwns all!!" I am not saying that at all. I personally think the 360 is the system to go with right now (after PC of course).
 
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My friend got a Wii and a few games and I went over to play it last Sunday. I was bored within a few hours. My friend hates it, he was going to take it back on Monday. I don't care if Nintendo makes another system or not, I know if it is like the Wii I won't but it. Not a Xbox guy but I played the 360 and it is much better IMO. I have a PS3 and like that much better too, I didn't see much redeeming about the Wii besides the price.
 
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BrutusMaximus;753221; said:
I work at an EB games. We have had maybe 15 Wii's since christmas. Of course we are always sold out, cause Nintendo never ships us any.
That would explain your unusual take on wii shipments. When my buddy got his this weekend, the target guy mentioned they get a shipment in almost every week. This sunday, there was a national deployment of a dozen wii's at target, circuit city & toys r rus... and most sold out within an hour or so of opening, if not before.
Because it's cheaper. Parents see that $250 price tag, and are going to buy it hands down over the 360 and the PS3 of course.
...and many of the 20somethings buy both the wii & the 360 for about the price of a ps3.
 
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The EB games I talked to said they have Wii's in every week and there gone in minutes. I dont know what alternate universe you live in, but here on earth, you can't find a Wii. The PS3's are collecting dust. I've seen this before. It was called the Saturn.

The Wii has so much more potential then the 360 or PS3. You want to give the PS3 a whole year before you judge it, but insist that the Wii be judged by its first game.

IMO most of the games released for the 360 or PS3 I have little to no interest in. Flashy graphics and cheesy storylines just dont do it for me. Maybe its because I grew up just in time to enjoy games before graphics got in the way of gameplay. I love FPS's but I cant think of anything more boring than shooting alien's.
 
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That would explain your unusual take on wii shipments. When my buddy got his this weekend, the target guy mentioned they get a shipment in almost every week. This sunday, there was a national deployment of a dozen wii's at target, circuit city & toys r rus... and most sold out within an hour or so of opening, if not before.

Again, to me that points to Nintendo targeting the casual audience. Hardcore gamers are gonna shop at EB and Gamestop more than Toys R Us, Walmart, Target, etc. So Nintendo ships to those places to attract the average shopper.

The EB games I talked to said they have Wii's in every week and there gone in minutes. I dont know what alternate universe you live in, but here on earth, you can't find a Wii. The PS3's are collecting dust. I've seen this before. It was called the Saturn.

Ugh for the last time, I am NOT saying that the PS3 is the best thing since sliced bread :biggrin:

I cannot judge the Wii or the PS3 until they are out for 6 months to a year. I am simply saying that I see the same problem with the Wii as I did with the Gamecube. Cult classic games that people will buy when the system is down to $100 to play with their drinking buddies. If you are not someone who loves to get into a long-winded RPG, or even a long-winded FPS like Half-life 2, you are probably gonna pick up a Wii as something to play around with for 15 minutes every so often. I CANNOT justify someone spending $600 on a PS3, and I tell people this in the store everyday. For $600, you can get a damn nice gaming PC built. All 3 systems have their drawbacks, and it's all going to come down to a matter of opinion. Dont act like I shot your grandma when I insult the precious Nintendo systems, as I am just speaking my mind :biggrin:

but insist that the Wii be judged by its first game.

I do hate Nintendo, but it's because they simply dont carry a damn game that I would be interested in playing. I am just giving info based off what I see at a video game store. Even the manager, who I really believe would blow anybody involved with Nintendo of America, is very disappointed in the Wii so far.

...and many of the 20somethings buy both the wii & the 360 for about the price of a ps3.


I really dont know why anybody would buy both, but more power to them :biggrin:
 
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BrutusMaximus;753471; said:
Again, to me that points to Nintendo targeting the casual audience. Hardcore gamers are gonna shop at EB and Gamestop more than Toys R Us, Walmart, Target, etc. So Nintendo ships to those places to attract the average shopper.

Toy R Us maybe, but Walmart and Target? Why wouldn't the "hardcore gamer" shop in one of those stores?
 
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methomps;753650; said:
Toy R Us maybe, but Walmart and Target? Why wouldn't the "hardcore gamer" shop in one of those stores?

I think his point was more that hardcore gamers are more likely to go to dedicated gaming stores than a casual gamer. Kind of a subtle difference, but at least that's how I read it and I'm inclined to agree.
 
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First off, "hardcore gamer" is thrown around way too often as if its an insult that people who might find a Nintendo game interesting are therefore not "hardcore gamers." A more apropos name for this type person is "graphics snob."

A hardcore gamer is a game player, through and through, so they'll play anything that's good on any system. A hardcore gamer will likely own all three systems by 2008. I'm not necessarily saying the PS3 blows chunks, the Wii rulez all, and 360 is more Microsoft meh, rather that if I have $600 to spend today, I'm buying a Wii and a 360. The PS3 is not worth $600. Shit, it isn't worth $400, which was the very point of this thread when it was started last summer.

Sony's competition really isn't the 360 or the Wii right now, it's the 110 million PS2s they've already sold. They need to convince game players to upgrade, and so far they haven't. It is costing them. EA all but abandoned the PSP in August 2006 and abruptly switched to the DS. Since then, the DS has outsold the PSP 2:1. A company the size of EA would not undertake such a task lightly; they're the second leading software publisher in the world behind Nintendo. As of last week, EA bought an entire studio, announced that three PS3 titles have been postponed or cancelled, and announced fifteen new titles for the Wii and DS just for 2007, including Fight Night (kick ass control scheme there on Wii), Spore on the DS, and the Wii exclusive SSX Blur that comes out in a few weeks.

As goes EA, so goes the console war. The very thing that knocked Nintendo off their pedestal between the SNES and N64, EA bolting for Sony's PlayStation, is occuring again, only the other direction.

The point I am trying to make here isn't about which system is "better" or which is more powerful, but which one will developers go to and design games for. The overwhelming answer since the PS3 and Wii were introduced side by side at E3 in May 2006 has been that developers are choosing Wii, and it is the best investment you can make today, if planning longterm, because the software will be there and it will depreciate the least.

Tell me, is Resistance soooo good it's worth $700 to play ($600 on the PS3, $60 on the game, plus tax)? Won't you feel foolish when Sony cuts the price of the PS3 to $400 in a month because they can't let Nintendo run away with the market?

Sony is selling more PS2s than PS3s, right now. The best titles on the horizon for at least the next three months on the Sony systems are also for the PS2.

The $600 price point was a disaster, and it will take over two years for Sony to recover. The problem in this is that Sony is selling the PS3 as a system for the next 10 years. 'It's future proof,' they say. BS. No tech is future proof. By the time Sony gets the production and price down to be competitive, MS will unveil the XBox 720 (or whatever) which will have twice the horsepower of the PS3.

Let's say also that Sony does cut the price to $500 or $400 or whatever, now they'll be losing OVER $500 per unit. Nintendo could cut the price of the Wii to $149 today and they'd still turn a profit on it.

Gaming markets don't support three systems. Either you have the PS2 and the Xbox (with the Gamecube a distant third) or you have the N64 and the PS (with the Saturn a distant third) or you have the Genesis and the SNES (with the NEC/TurboGrafx 16 a distant third).

Sony is a year late and over priced by at least 200%. They are the odd man out this time around. The only way the PS3 would've worked at launch was for the Wii to flop and for Sony to ride the momentum and catch Microsoft's one year head start. Didn't happen. Instead, Nintendo is blowing away both Microsoft and Sony combined and will be the sole dominant hardware maker by Christmas 2007 in both the console markets and the handheld market.

It doesn't matter how great anyone here thinks the PS3 is today, or whether or not you already bought one. Unless you're going to go out and buy 3 million more of them, it won't sell. Some EB's already have used PS3s available for resale. The speculators supporting the secondary market on eBay are selling new PS3s at a loss, meanwhile the Wiis almost never sell on eBay for under $300, which is a 20% mark-up.

The consumers have spoken. The developers have spoken. They want the 360. They want the Wii. Whatever it is, it ain't the PS3.

Guy Wilday, Sega (Sega Rally)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=157708&site=psm
There have been loads of grumbles and gripes about Sixaxis - the motion-sensing thing is a bit gimmicky, Wii does it better and that the rumble is hugely missed.

But it's not just gamers that think this - one of Sega's top development men has broken rank to offer his thoughts.

"Tilt control's not difficult to do," says Guy Wilday, head of Sega Racing Studio, on the possibility of tilty-pad gameplay being included in their new version of Sega Rally for PS3. "Fundamentally, though, the whole tilt control thing is rubbish. It's no compensation for rumble."

Dr. Andrew Garrett, EA (Command & Conquer)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1782706/posts?page=1
I make video games, currently working for Electronic Arts on the latest Command & Conquer. Last year, the prediction was that Sony would win the next-gen war, that the PS3 would be the dominant console, just like the PS2 was.

That is no longer the case. The extremely strong performance of the Wii, combined with the miserable performance of Sony has revised pretty much everyone's expectations. Right now, most of us here think the 360 will be on top for this generation, with the battle for second place between Sony and Nintendo (and that's a major shock, as we'd nearly written Nintendo off for the non-handheld market.) Most of us still think Sony will beat off Nintendo, simply due to the older graphics on the Wii, but it's not a sure thing.

My opinion - get the 360 and/or the Wii. Skip the PS3 unless there's a big change in the near future.

Gabe Newell, Valve (Half Life)
http://www.techsmessage.com/2007/01/17/valve-ps3-a-total-disaster/
Gabe Newell, head of Valve software, best known for the Half Life games has labelled the PS3 as a "total disaster".

"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," Newell reportedly said in an interview with Game Informer.

He continued: "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over. Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it'."

It?s a different story with Nintendo, however, Newell revealing he really likes "everything that Nintendo is doing."

"The happy story is the Wii," he said. "I'm betting that by Christmas of next year, the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I'm crazy."

Clint Hocking, Ubisoft (Splinter Cell)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16847
Ubisoft Montreal's creative director has spoken of his disappointment with Sony's next-gen offering, claiming the Japanese giant is adopting a "me too" approach by duplicating ideas from other consoles.

He also criticised the industry's drive to significantly boost videogame visuals with each new generation of hardware, arguing that the focus on graphics is a "fundamental problem of approach" that turns game developers into factory workers.

Hocking claims that being forced to spend valuable development time on textures and art shading is detrimental to the creation of entertaining videogames and something that in most cases (referring to the current low adoption of HD televisions) consumers won't even be able to appreciate.

Hocking was full of praise for Nintendo's effort, however, commending the new Wii motion-sensing controller which he believes can offer new inspiration for developers and create emotional experiences more powerfully than enhanced graphics.

Should I go on ... ? There are HUNDREDS of similar articles all over da Interwebs (except at the PS3 sites where the fanbois all say Resistance is teh r0x0rs and Gears of War is da lamerz!!111!!shiftone!).
 
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I don't know why but I love Dryden's daily rants. I'm not much of a gamer myself. I've had an Xbox for a little over a year (been playing one for several) and love being able to buy games for $20. Just beat NFS Most Wanted last night and SW Battlefront 2 before that. About the only thing I can offer here is I work with a guy that has been trying to track down a Wii for the past few weeks with no luck.
 
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BrutusMaximus;753471; said:
Again, to me that points to Nintendo targeting the casual audience. Hardcore gamers are gonna shop at EB and Gamestop more than Toys R Us, Walmart, Target, etc. So Nintendo ships to those places to attract the average shopper.



Ugh for the last time, I am NOT saying that the PS3 is the best thing since sliced bread :biggrin:

I cannot judge the Wii or the PS3 until they are out for 6 months to a year. I am simply saying that I see the same problem with the Wii as I did with the Gamecube. Cult classic games that people will buy when the system is down to $100 to play with their drinking buddies. If you are not someone who loves to get into a long-winded RPG, or even a long-winded FPS like Half-life 2, you are probably gonna pick up a Wii as something to play around with for 15 minutes every so often. I CANNOT justify someone spending $600 on a PS3, and I tell people this in the store everyday. For $600, you can get a damn nice gaming PC built. All 3 systems have their drawbacks, and it's all going to come down to a matter of opinion. Dont act like I shot your grandma when I insult the precious Nintendo systems, as I am just speaking my mind :biggrin:



I do hate Nintendo, but it's because they simply dont carry a damn game that I would be interested in playing. I am just giving info based off what I see at a video game store. Even the manager, who I really believe would blow anybody involved with Nintendo of America, is very disappointed in the Wii so far.




I really dont know why anybody would buy both, but more power to them :biggrin:


Hardcore gamers only shop at EB?? You are living in a fantasy. Hardcore gamers avoid those places like the plague. They go to retail shops or shop on-line. I have never gone into a EB or Gamestop and come out thinking the people behind the desk had a clue what their talking about. Your opinions on this subject isn't giving me much hope for you. You've been given ample evidence that the PS3 is about as close to dead in the water as a system gets and you refuse to take off our anti-nintendo goggles. I cant wait for a year from now (if it takes that long) to see what excuse you have as to why the PS3 is done. Yes I know you arent suggesting the PS3 right now, but if you say your not a PS fanboy, then your more delusional then I thought.
 
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TheMightyQuinn;754064; said:
Hardcore gamers only shop at EB?? You are living in a fantasy. Hardcore gamers avoid those places like the plague. They go to retail shops or shop on-line.
Hardcore gamerz pwn the mall, dude. Meet me in the food court ... I'll be wearing the "1Up" t-shirt I bought at Spencers.

:pimp:
 
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Hardcore gamers only shop at EB?? You are living in a fantasy. Hardcore gamers avoid those places like the plague. They go to retail shops or shop on-line. I have never gone into a EB or Gamestop and come out thinking the people behind the desk had a clue what their talking about. Your opinions on this subject isn't giving me much hope for you. You've been given ample evidence that the PS3 is about as close to dead in the water as a system gets and you refuse to take off our anti-nintendo goggles. I cant wait for a year from now (if it takes that long) to see what excuse you have as to why the PS3 is done. Yes I know you arent suggesting the PS3 right now, but if you say your not a PS fanboy, then your more delusional then I thought.

You're apparently not reading what I am saying. Mind you, I would love to own a PS3, but I agree with the general statement that it is too damn expensive. It isnt even that I wouldnt want to spend $600 on the PS3, it's that it is insane to do so :biggrin:

I love Dryden's rants as well, even though we disagree.

Hardcore gamers avoid those places like the plague. They go to retail shops or shop on-line.

Ok so EB isnt a retail shop. And Walmart and Target employees know what they are talking about, but EB employees dont? You are pissed because my opinion is different from yours, so you make a stupid comment that makes no sense. Say what you want about PS3's not selling, but I can tell you that we sell out everytime we get them in stock, and we live in a shitty financial area. Yes the Wii's sell out fast as well.


A hardcore gamer is a game player, through and through, so they'll play anything that's good on any system. A hardcore gamer will likely own all three systems by 2008. I'm not necessarily saying the PS3 blows chunks, the Wii rulez all, and 360 is more Microsoft meh, rather that if I have $600 to spend today, I'm buying a Wii and a 360. The PS3 is not worth $600. Shit, it isn't worth $400, which was the very point of this thread when it was started last summer.

I honestly think that the PS3 is too far ahead of the times. People arent ready for blu-ray players. Most arent ready for 1080p. So not a whole lot of people are going to spend $600 on something that they basically cant use.

I agree with you on the PSP, it is useless, and UMD's were a very bad idea. I also agree with you on EA, but I take that with a grain of salt, simply because EA cant make a decent game to save their lives anymore. But it's sorta like the music industry. Most people listen to shitty music in this country, so that's what sells :biggrin:

I think the definition of "hardcore gamer" changes from person to person. I would view it as someone who devotes alot of their time to specific games, series, publishers, etc. But I can also understand your conclusion on your definition of it.

Hardcore gamers only shop at EB?? You are living in a fantasy. Hardcore gamers avoid those places like the plague

I cant get over this comment. I dont even know how to reply to this much stupidity :biggrin:
 
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BrutusMaximus;754198; said:
You're apparently not reading what I am saying. Mind you, I would love to own a PS3, but I agree with the general statement that it is too damn expensive. It isnt even that I wouldnt want to spend $600 on the PS3, it's that it is insane to do so

I love Dryden's rants as well, even though we disagree.



Ok so EB isnt a retail shop. And Walmart and Target employees know what they are talking about, but EB employees dont? You are pissed because my opinion is different from yours, so you make a stupid comment that makes no sense. Say what you want about PS3's not selling, but I can tell you that we sell out everytime we get them in stock, and we live in a shitty financial area. Yes the Wii's sell out fast as well.




I honestly think that the PS3 is too far ahead of the times. People arent ready for blu-ray players. Most arent ready for 1080p. So not a whole lot of people are going to spend $600 on something that they basically cant use.

I agree with you on the PSP, it is useless, and UMD's were a very bad idea. I also agree with you on EA, but I take that with a grain of salt, simply because EA cant make a decent game to save their lives anymore. But it's sorta like the music industry. Most people listen to shitty music in this country, so that's what sells :biggrin:

I think the definition of "hardcore gamer" changes from person to person. I would view it as someone who devotes alot of their time to specific games, series, publishers, etc. But I can also understand your conclusion on your definition of it.



I cant get over this comment. I dont even know how to reply to this much stupidity :biggrin:

If you go to a EB and they can tell you something new, you arent a any kind of gamer. The people I'm talking about (cause Dryden is right on about ppl calling themselves "hardcore gamers" when they just like pretty graphics) be dont need told anything. They do their own research and make intelligent descions. They go to retail because they dont need told anything.

You want to talk about stupidity when you claim the PS3 is ahead of its time. the product has to be a good one to be ahead of its time, not a colossal mistake. You have zero clue what your talking about. You havent come up with any facts like Dryden. You just keep saying whats going on in your store, which for some bizarre reason is the exact opposite of whats going on in the rest of the country. PS3 are sitting, Wii are moving. Now I know your like every other person working in those lame excuses for stores. its like going into a cell phone store and expecting to get someone who knows anything.

BTW nothing Dryden been posting can be disagreed with. Their called facts. He is actually citing interviews and what moves companies are making. (which saves me from tracking them down :biggrin:)
 
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If you go to a EB and they can tell you something new, you arent a any kind of gamer. The people I'm talking about (cause Dryden is right on about ppl calling themselves "hardcore gamers" when they just like pretty graphics) be dont need told anything. They do their own research and make intelligent descions. They go to retail because they dont need told anything.

You want to talk about stupidity when you claim the PS3 is ahead of its time. the product has to be a good one to be ahead of its time, not a colossal mistake. You have zero clue what your talking about. You havent come up with any facts like Dryden. You just keep saying whats going on in your store, which for some bizarre reason is the exact opposite of whats going on in the rest of the country. PS3 are sitting, Wii are moving. Now I know your like every other person working in those lame excuses for stores. its like going into a cell phone store and expecting to get someone who knows anything.

I love debating and discussing stuff, until people like you get involved. You act like I killed your dog or something because I have a different opinion than you. Me stating that the Wii sucks balls is my own opinion. Get the sand out of your vagina and live with that. Because my opinion differs from yours does not mean I am clueless. You appear clueless to me. Gamers come into our store all day and talk about everything going on in the gaming world, and I can tell that they know what's going on. They wont go to walmart, because they dont get that conversation from the people working there. To think otherwise is just plain idiotic. I work there on the side, and I work there because it's fun. It's fun to discuss something I enjoy with people who enjoy the same thing. Kind of like a message board. You know, where people can discuss their views on subjects. :biggrin:

The PS3 IS ahead of it's time. If the blue-ray was a standard, and they could design the system for like $400 instead of $850, it would be a different ballgame. Sony tried to be too advanced with this thing. I wanna see Dryden argue with that. (seriously, if you think otherwise, do tell without getting all defensive)
 
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