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Pitt 13, West Virginia 9 (final)

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Steve19;1014895; said:
The Big East needs to open a formal investigation of the referees in this game. It was a shocking attempt to put a Big East team in the National Championship game. Well done to Pitt on an excellent victory in such circumstances.
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Myles Brand needs to get off his ass, quit worrying about mascots, and announce today that all officiating will come under the control of the NCAA. The whole confrence officials deal has always been ripe for abuse and conspiracy theorys. What does the NCAA exist for if not for things like assigning and regulating officials.

This is something I'm always shocked at in March. There is no reason that the smaller confrences that usually only get one bid, but have a regular season champ nearly sure to get an at large bid, not to fix the confrence tourney final to try to get a second bid.
 
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jwinslow;1014977; said:
Pitt scores a TD to go up 17-7, but somehow textbook blocking is called holding on WR #88. Horrendous call.

And THE worst, (w/ 3.5 min left) McCoy runs off tackle for a first down, past #88 again (with perfectly legal blocking), long after he runs past the first down marker, a flag comes flying in. Easily the most suspicious call of them all.
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I can't remember if it was the first or second one, but as the offense came off, they showed "the stache" take 88 and you could tell he was basiclly telling him the call was bullshit and he had a good block.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1014829; said:
I don't doubt it for a minute. Michigan had issues with teams that played decent defense and could spread the ball around. Michigan State was then developing their own schizophrenia about winning and Washington was on it's way to bottoming out as a program. Tennessee, yeah they probably lose that one. But I wasn't talking about 2004 Ntre Ame. 3-1 WVU.
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Sure but I think if you take a look at a team like South Florida or Pitt, you'd find a lot more issues.

Again, if WVU had proven that they laid an egg but consistently beat good teams before, I'd say it was a choke. But the fact of the matter is, they've consistently been beaten by good/semi-good opponents from out of conference and even from their sorry conference schedule. I don't know if they'd be better than this year's Illinois if they played in the B10.
 
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jwinslow;1014977; said:
And THE worst, (w/ 3.5 min left) McCoy runs off tackle for a first down, past #88 again (with perfectly legal blocking), long after he runs past the first down marker, a flag comes flying in. Easily the most suspicious call of them all.
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Not only that...there was a ref standing 5 yards from the play (the block occurred around the 40), staring right at the block. No flag there. The flag came from off the screen, which was past the 50 yard line, from an official who had a view of the defender's back!

It was made worse by a horrendous non-call on a blatant defensive hold on the same WR on the very next play.
 
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I was in a bar full of UT and LSU fans watching that game last night and everyone was in agreement that the BE was doing whatever it took to get WVU to the title game(refs).

I usually don't buy into that stuff but last night was so bad and so blatant I just can't honestly think anything else. Everyone of those officials needs to be fired, they are either completely corrupt or criminally incompetent.
 
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lvbuckeye;1016175; said:
not even close.

Cumulative Overrated/Underrated Teams
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The chart is derived from how far a team finishes from its pre-season ranking. That's fine and dandy. However, when I say overrated, I mean a team achieves lofty rankings in the middle of the season before getting exposed. South Florida is the perfect example. So they finish with a couple of ugly losses and falls back into the pack, they were still the most overrated team during the season at one point, when they were ranked #2 or #3 in the nation. The thing about WVU is that this was a team destined to play for the National Championship. You can point to charts and graphs all you want, but when you are talking about a team this close from sneaking into the title game, I'm sorry, that's just overrated. Same with the Notre Dame teams. They came pretty darn close to sneaking into the title game in '02 and during the Brady Quinn years. And believe me, if USC did not blow them out in the second half in '02, they would have gotten into that game in Tempe ahead of Ohio State, no doubt about it. That's what I mean when I say overrated.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1018852; said:
The chart is derived...South Florida is the perfect example. So they finish with a couple of ugly losses and falls back into the pack, they were still the most overrated team during the season at one point, when they were ranked #2 or #3 in the nation...
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Listen, buddy, let's get real here. Mark May had South Florida #1 on his card. That's science. You just don't argue with science. :slappy:
 
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Tresselbeliever;1018852; said:
The chart is derived from how far a team finishes from its pre-season ranking. That's fine and dandy. However, when I say overrated, I mean a team achieves lofty rankings in the middle of the season before getting exposed. South Florida is the perfect example. So they finish with a couple of ugly losses and falls back into the pack, they were still the most overrated team during the season at one point, when they were ranked #2 or #3 in the nation. The thing about WVU is that this was a team destined to play for the National Championship. You can point to charts and graphs all you want, but when you are talking about a team this close from sneaking into the title game, I'm sorry, that's just overrated. Same with the Notre Dame teams. They came pretty darn close to sneaking into the title game in '02 and during the Brady Quinn years. And believe me, if USC did not blow them out in the second half in '02, they would have gotten into that game in Tempe ahead of Ohio State, no doubt about it. That's what I mean when I say overrated.
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No one is more consistently overrated than Ntre Ame. And don't look now, but it will occur next year as well.

Their bad loss to BC in 2002 essentially eliminated them from NC contention unless Miami or Ohio State would slipped up before their annihilation at the hands of USC.....then they found a way to lose to NC State by 22 points in the Gator Bowl....
 
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