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He was a very average coach without Ray Rice. Ray Rice was on a different level that the rest of the other players in that conference. I don't think Schiano can recruit a player that is on a different level than B1G players to make a difference.
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Current NFL: 3-RBs (including All-Pro Rice and 2nd Round Leonard), 5-WR/TEs (including 1st Round Britt and 3rd Round Sanu), 5-DBs (including All-Pro McCourty), 6-LBs, 4-linemen (including 1st Round Davis)
He was 'average' because he didn't have a top-tier QB and horrible kickers
and keep in mind.. this was Rutgers
Give him a PSU and it could get very interesting
He recruited Florida and NJ very well
He was 'average' because he didn't have a top-tier QB and horrible kickers
and keep in mind.. this was Rutgers
Give him a PSU and it could get very interesting
He recruited Florida and NJ very well
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That doesn't mean a whole lot more than Rutgers anymore. B'Ob recruited decent. His two biggest recruits (Hackysack and Brendelbaum) bought in because of his NFL pedigree, the NFL-friendly offense, and history of working with QBs. Schiano is a decent coach, and might recruit the east coast well because of his connections. But he's not gonna outrecruit the SEC in the south, or schools like tOSU, ND nationally...and that's what he'll have to do to compete for berths in the "final 4" playoff format. With the B1G as weak as it is now, if he can recruit well in NJ and traditional pedtard hotbeds like MD and VA, he may be able to make them competitive in the B1G. But I don't see him making them a powerhouse.
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I don't think PSU is a bigger draw than Rutgers was anymore.
It was one thing to be a big fish in a little pond, but it'll be rough sailing with us, MSU, and scUM in the same conference.
The worst team coming in is Indiana... granted, they're poor, but no more gimmes from Illinois and Purdue.
Throw in the sanctions and lingering effects, and best case scenario is being a UCLA-type school.
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That's what I'd expect if they hire Schiano. I think Mora has a higher ceiling, just because of location, recruiting base, etc.. But I could see him making ped aggy a regular 9-4 type team with occasional 10-11 win years like they were from '05-'11. But I don't see them becoming a "national power" and competing for NCs regularly, which they haven't done since the mid-80s. I think Hoke is losing a lot of his glamour recruiting-wise, and with him looking to possibly be on the hot-seat next season, their recruiting may slip a good bit. Ped Aggy may be able to win some recruiting battles with them that they lost in PA before. A big thing will be getting back into Western PA where Pitt has been doing really well for the better part of the last decade.
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Me thinks you folks are discounting the very deep roots PSU has.. it's intense.. they have to hide it because of the current cloak over the pgm but it's just a function of time.. and that may be much shorter than you think... until PSU is right back to where it was
O'Brien was absolutely the best choice to deal with the situation the last couple years.. but memories of THE SCANDAL will be short.. and this too shall pass
O'Brien was absolutely the best choice to deal with the situation the last couple years.. but memories of THE SCANDAL will be short.. and this too shall pass
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Where has it been since 1986? A pretty average program, with a strong year here-and-there. Since they gave up independent status, and couldn't load their schedule with cupcakes and hand-picked officials, they've been a borderline top-20 overall program. Kids these days don't remember their "glory days". I think the right coach could get them back to where they were from '05-'11, but I don't see them as a program that's going to be a consistent national power without somehow convincing an elite coach (a Saban or Meyer) to come there...and that ain't happening.
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I agree with those who question PSU's "glory days" talk.
That said I think pretty much any BCS conference school with the commitment to do so, is one home run HC hire way from having new glory days, PSU included. They have the recruiting footprint, the resources and enough of a brand name.
Now, if hitting a home run with a coaching hire were easy scUM fans wouldn't be sitting around watching grainy old black and white films of Fielding Yost but I digress.
That said I think pretty much any BCS conference school with the commitment to do so, is one home run HC hire way from having new glory days, PSU included. They have the recruiting footprint, the resources and enough of a brand name.
Now, if hitting a home run with a coaching hire were easy scUM fans wouldn't be sitting around watching grainy old black and white films of Fielding Yost but I digress.
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Agree completely, but Penn State has approximately 0.00001% chance of getting that HC homerun in the current environment.
Even when they manage to land a decent one, like BOB, they'll just use PSU as a stepping stone.
And that's pretty much the issue all these mid-table BCS schools face... if they hit a homerun, that coach will get courted by all the "elite" programs looking for a known product.
Even when they manage to land a decent one, like BOB, they'll just use PSU as a stepping stone.
And that's pretty much the issue all these mid-table BCS schools face... if they hit a homerun, that coach will get courted by all the "elite" programs looking for a known product.
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IMO you beat that by finding a good company man to be a CEO type coach and keeping his stable full of high end assistants.
They need a Penn State guy to be the face of the school/program and hit the HR's with his staff. Keep the turnover at the staff level and you have the best shot you are going to have at beating that trap imo.
No perfect but gives you your best odds at success.
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They're gonna have to hit a homerun by finding a young up and comer just trying to get his foot in the door of BCS conference football (without an eye on the nfl), or go the retread route (Schiano), or the "meh" coach with ped aggy roots (Golden). No established coach with any options is going to walk onto the dysfunctional feeb farm.
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