Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[Mike80]

And now, to get back to dipshits who actually exist

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[BuckeyeNation27]

So that really is that mack daddy lunatic and he really is running for their board? God I hope he wins.

And, the "walk-ons". Joe particularly loved the "walk-ons". Those, for whatever reason, weren't initially qualified for a scholarship their senior year in high school. One thing I learned from Joe is that Joe was willing to give a "walk-on" the ball and see what he could do with it. It was still up to that individual, mind you, but Joe gave him the chance.

Paterno wouldn't even give the ball to freshmen or sophomores who actually earned a scholarship. In what world did he give the ball to walkons?

 

[BUCKYLE]

So that really is that mack daddy lunatic and he really is running for their board? God I hope he wins.

Paterno wouldn't even give the ball to freshmen or sophomores who actually earned a scholarship. In what world did he give the ball to walkons?

Well, not in a game or anything. After practice, Joe would be all "Hey you sonofabitch walk-ons, take these balls to the equipment room"

 

[DaveyBoy]

so true.....I'm in sales and several of my better customers are Penn State fans or grads, or even ex players. It is very difficult to even be around them if sports in general is brought up....let alone college football.....let alone penn state football. I mean it's very difficult because I'm an opinionated guy but my opinion of their school is pretty low. I literally have to bite my tongue. But boy they don't bother to bite their tongue at all.....even AFTER all this scandal finally came to light.

PSU fans are a cult and there is no better way to describe them. Even the few good ones I meet they seem to be laying in the weeds waiting to spring their anti-OSU crap. PSU fans hate no school more than they hate OSU.

I'm sure I've said it on here probably more than once.....but this is what has always confused me about Penn State fans. Just being a fan of a team doesn't change how you act. You'll have a collection of some assholes, but mostly you're going to have a group of people who are probably biased but otherwise harmless and possibly even likeable. This is not true with Penn State. Somehow, being a Penn State fan makes you a complete piece of [Mark May] whenever the topic comes up. And not just the whole scandal topic......just Penn State in general. You'll have people who are successful in all other aspects of life, but the second Penn State football comes up they can't help themselves. They HAVE to be dickheads.

 

[Buckeye86]

PSU fans hate no school more than they hate OSU.

They hate Michigan pretty badly too and basically the entire Big Ten. It's fairly obvious why; before joining the Big Ten they were considered a "football powerhouse" for various Boise State-ish related reasons.

After joining a conference the entire Big Ten, Ohio State and Michigan in particular, proved that Penn State and their "legendary" coach were second rate wannabes and accordingly they behaved as such ever since.

The recent scandal brought all of the cult's pent up hatred and frustration about being exposed as frauds for two decades to the surface. Without delusions of being elite at football to thump their chests about they needed to find something else to be delusional about and it appears like the legend and sainthood of Joe Paterno is the new delusion of choice.

 

[Delaware Buck]

What is funny is that before the Freeh report came out the vast majority of the online fans (and I assume general fan base) were saying that they just wanted the report to come out and they would accept the results no matter what it said. They wanted "closure". Then it gets released, paints a negative picture of the culture and basically places Paterno in the gang of 4. Instead of accepting it and moving on, they almost entirely reject it.

Even the seemingly nice PSU people you meet at the tailgates that offer you a beer don't like or respect OSU. Nearly all PSU fans have built up this false sense of superiority over the last 40 years. A feeling that they alone were the only program following the rules and upholding the definition of what it means to be a student athlete. That came from Paterno and nearly all of them have adopted that world view and all believed it which is why the all times win record was so important. They could forever claim that not only was Paterno the greatest but he always did it the right way. They will often mention that PSU under Paterno has an overwhelmingly winning record against the conference most associated with winning & cheating ? (the SEC) to prove this.

So the world now knows that Paterno wasn't such a great guy after all. All the Paterno Reports, Blehar & Ziegler, upcoming trials, etc... are not going to change that fact. Paterno is a guy that turned his back on the most vulnerable kids that were in danger right in a building he practically built and controlled after being given a vivid description of what had transpired. And let's be candid... you can bet the house that he know about the JS pedo issues for many years prior to 2001. There are two ways the average PSU fan can react... they can come to grips with reality and accept the fact that this moral icon they built up in their heads was not so moral. He was in fact human and capable of failure ? in this case massive failure. Or they can live in denial and continue to attach their self-worth to a guy most of the rest of the world has already written off as morally reprehensible. It seems most of them (even the seemingly normal ones) have chosen the later. Unfortunate as it is, this is not surprising at all because the other option seems unacceptable and involves them having to admit they made a mistake in worshiping some kind of make believe ideal.

 

[Zurp]

They will often mention that PSU under Paterno has an overwhelmingly winning record against the conference most associated with winning & cheating ? (the SEC) to prove this.

I'd like to bring up his record against the conference he was actually IN: 95-56 (64 of those wins were later vacated). 0.629 win percentage.

Compare to these guys:
Jim Tressel - 66-14 (0.825) (7 wins later vacated)
Lloyd Carr - 81-23 (0.779)
Gary Moeller - 30-8-2 (0.775)
John Cooper - 70-30-4 (0.692)
Joe Tiller - 53-43 (0.552)
Barry Alvarez - 65-60-3 (0.520)
Bret Bielema - 37-19 (0.661)
Kirk Ferentz - 59-52 (0.532)

I guess Paterno's win percentage was much higher than Mr. COY, himself, Kirk Ferentz. But really, to become "legendary", I think you ought to do a lot better than 0.629.

 

[buxfan4life]

I'd like to bring up his record against the conference he was actually IN: 95-56 (64 of those wins were later vacated). 0.629 win percentage.

Compare to these guys:
Jim Tressel - 66-14 (0.825) (7 wins later vacated)
Lloyd Carr - 81-23 (0.779)
Gary Moeller - 30-8-2 (0.775)
John Cooper - 70-30-4 (0.692)
Joe Tiller - 53-43 (0.552)
Barry Alvarez - 65-60-3 (0.520)
Bret Bielema - 37-19 (0.661)
Kirk Ferentz - 59-52 (0.532)

I guess Paterno's win percentage was much higher than Mr. COY, himself, Kirk Ferentz. But really, to become "legendary", I think you ought to do a lot better than 0.629.

Just remember that Ugh Pa Joe did not want to join the B1G, but instead wanted to start, and be the commissioner of, his own eastern football conference. You know, so he could pick and choose the refs (like players parents perhaps) and change the rules to benefit State Penn at his own whim. His so called "Grand Experiment" hit a road black with joining the B1G. He knew that he wouldn't be able to win as much playing against actual competition rather than the Temples and Rices of the college football world, so he started his "whoa is me" crap after every loss. He chased down refs when he felt that they didn't help him win the game like he was used to when his players parents were refs. He complained about the "ruthlessness" of college football recruiting since he now had to compete for talent much greater than he was used to recruiting, and got pissed when things didn't go his way.

Overall, the only thing that Ugh Pa Joe did that was somewhat notable was to be a head coach at one place for so damn long. That is it. His "success with honor" BS was just that, BS. He would shuffle players that didn't make the grade off to a regional campus to artificially inflate his grad rates. He would cover up legal stuff that his players were involved in to make it look like the program was nothing but up-standing clean-cut young men (cleaning the stadium for assault and battery, yeah, that is real punishment there Joe). We now have EVIDENTS!!! that he probably tried to bury the Sandusky situation (along with others in the admin) to save "The Program" from a PR nightmare, yet that totally backfired on him.

The guy was a narcissist and megalomaniac. It was always about him, and his so-called "Grand Experiment".

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Just remember that Ugh Pa Joe did not want to join the B1G, but instead wanted to start, and be the commissioner of, his own eastern football conference. You know, so he could pick and choose the refs (like players parents perhaps) and change the rules to benefit State Penn at his own whim. His so called "Grand Experiment" hit a road black with joining the B1G. He knew that he wouldn't be able to win as much playing against actual competition rather than the Temples and Rices of the college football world, so he started his "whoa is me" crap after every loss. He chased down refs when he felt that they didn't help him win the game like he was used to when his players parents were refs. He complained about the "ruthlessness" of college football recruiting since he now had to compete for talent much greater than he was used to recruiting, and got [censored]ed when things didn't go his way.

Overall, the only thing that Ugh Pa Joe did that was somewhat notable was to be a head coach at one place for so damn long. That is it. His "success with honor" BS was just that, BS. He would shuffle players that didn't make the grade off to a regional campus to artificially inflate his grad rates. He would cover up legal stuff that his players were involved in to make it look like the program was nothing but up-standing clean-cut young men (cleaning the stadium for assault and battery, yeah, that is real punishment there Joe). We now have EVIDENTS!!! that he probably tried to bury the Sandusky situation (along with others in the admin) to save "The Program" from a PR nightmare, yet that totally backfired on him.

The guy was a narcissist and megalomaniac. It was always about him, and his so-called "Grand Experiment".

Can somebody gpa that great summation of JoeFraud!

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I'd like to bring up his record against the conference he was actually IN: 95-56 (64 of those wins were later vacated). 0.629 win percentage.

Paterno was 9-6 (.600) versus the Big Ten prior to joining the conference, which makes his overall record against Big Ten competition 104-62, for a .627 winning percentage.

Of those nine wins, five came against an Iowa team (1971 to 1975) that had a combined record of 10-44-1 (.191 winning percentage). Paterno's real talent was identifying (and scheduling) the patsies of the college football world.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Of those nine wins, five came against an Iowa team (1971 to 1975) that had a combined record of 10-44-1 (.191 winning percentage). Paterno's real talent was identifying (and scheduling) the patsies of the college football world.

And the proper home field refs.

 

[NYG21254246]

so true.....I'm in sales and several of my better customers are Penn State fans or grads, or even ex players. It is very difficult to even be around them if sports in general is brought up....let alone college football.....let alone penn state football. I mean it's very difficult because I'm an opinionated guy but my opinion of their school is pretty low. I literally have to bite my tongue. But boy they don't bother to bite their tongue at all.....even AFTER all this scandal finally came to light.

PSU fans are a cult and there is no better way to describe them. Even the few good ones I meet they seem to be laying in the weeds waiting to spring their anti-OSU crap. PSU fans hate no school more than they hate OSU.

For me, most of my hatred is directed towards SEC schools, and Notre Dame. A lot of the SEC fan bases (especially LSU and Auburn), have that holier than thou attitude towards a lot of schools in the north/northeastern part of the country. Similar towards Notre Dame, with the NDBC.

Personally, I wish they gave Sandusky the death penalty for what he did to those kids (my uncle & a cousin are Penn State alums).

As for Paterno- he should have done more than go up the proverbial "chain of command". The Penn State police DO have powers of arrest, but he should have gone to the PA State Police (since Shultz was in charge somehow of the PSU Police Department), and had Sandusky arrested.

Paterno should have been held far more accountable than he was. Same with Spanier, Curley, and Shultz. The one (besides Sandusky) that should be held most culpable IMO, is Mike McQueary. By all reports, McQueary caught Sandusky doing the act to a kid, and he did nothing. McQueary should have told Paterno IMMEDIATELY about what he saw, called the cops HIMSELF, and beaten Sandusky to a pulp.

 

[NYG21254246]

Just remember that Ugh Pa Joe did not want to join the B1G, but instead wanted to start, and be the commissioner of, his own eastern football conference. You know, so he could pick and choose the refs (like players parents perhaps) and change the rules to benefit State Penn at his own whim. His so called "Grand Experiment" hit a road black with joining the B1G. He knew that he wouldn't be able to win as much playing against actual competition rather than the Temples and Rices of the college football world, so he started his "whoa is me" crap after every loss. He chased down refs when he felt that they didn't help him win the game like he was used to when his players parents were refs. He complained about the "ruthlessness" of college football recruiting since he now had to compete for talent much greater than he was used to recruiting, and got [censored]ed when things didn't go his way.

Overall, the only thing that Ugh Pa Joe did that was somewhat notable was to be a head coach at one place for so damn long. That is it. His "success with honor" BS was just that, BS. He would shuffle players that didn't make the grade off to a regional campus to artificially inflate his grad rates. He would cover up legal stuff that his players were involved in to make it look like the program was nothing but up-standing clean-cut young men (cleaning the stadium for assault and battery, yeah, that is real punishment there Joe). We now have EVIDENTS!!! that he probably tried to bury the Sandusky situation (along with others in the admin) to save "The Program" from a PR nightmare, yet that totally backfired on him.

The guy was a narcissist and megalomaniac. It was always about him, and his so-called "Grand Experiment".

Another thing that hurt Paterno's Eastern Conference idea, was the forming of the Big East- somehow Pittsburgh didn't want any part of it, but I believe that he wanted to play Syracuse yearly.

IIRC, that Eastern Football Conference that Paterno wanted were the following schools:
Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Rutgers, Boston College, Maryland, and ???

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Another thing that hurt Paterno's Eastern Conference idea, was the forming of the Big East- somehow Pittsburgh didn't want any part of it, but I believe that he wanted to play Syracuse yearly.

IIRC, that Eastern Football Conference that Paterno wanted were the following schools:
Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, Rutgers, Boston College, Maryland, and ???

Dude, none of the Eastern schools wanted a god damned thing to do with a conference with JoePed as de-facto commissioner and in control of scheduling and the ref crews. Not only did they run away from it as fast as possible, but the first thing they did in the Big East was to blackball JoePed's application. That's how the demented, old fuck ended up on our doorstep. We didn't have the intimate familiarity with him and his megalomania to know what kind of cancer we were letting in the door.

 

[NYG21254246]

As for the penalties levied against psu, I'm ok with them- but penalized them differently. Vacating wins affects the players who did nothing with Sandusky, paterno & the cover up.

I agree with the $6,000,000 fine levied on the university. Instead of vacating paterno's wins (as it punishes the kids), fine his estate $3,000,000. Fine Sandusky $6,000,000, and ban him all NCAA campuses. As for the sanctions & current bowl ban, it hurts the kids there now. Let the kids play in a bowl, but they get no revenue from it.