Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[Buckeyefrankmp]

But if he hands down the death penalty, he'd have to prove it. And once again, that would require the NCAA to investigate the matter on their own.

State Penn is going to be investigated by the feds for violation of the Clery Act. Can't the NCAA hold off on an investigation until the facts are in for that case? The NCAA can't subpoena people but the feds can. They could use any evidence that the feds gather for their investigation.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Here's the Consent Decree itself

Section I, Basis for Decree is fairly illuminating.
Notable as well is the clause right above the signatures.

 

[Saw31]

They're also too stupid to realize they are publicly exhibiting "Lack of Institutional Control" over this appeal/no appeal/appeal fiasco.

No one in state college knows who the fuck is in charge up there.

Ericsson had authority
He didn't have authority
No, wait, he DID have authority
Never mind, he might not have had authority

They all know who is in charge. He's rotting in the ground, but he's still in charge. And after they 'win' this lawsuit, it'll be JoePa's 410th!!!

 

[NFBuck]

In line with what ORD is saying, the simple and inescapable fact of the matter is that an "NCAA Investigation" isn't necessarily guys in NCAA coats running around campus with magnifying glasses and smoking pipes....

Well, that's disappointing.

 

[NFBuck]

Anybody know how carney colleges are run? Because this is how I envision a carney college being run...

 

[AKAK]

There won't be a full investigation. The ncaa can't afford to look weak for however many months that would take. Besides, there is no due process issue regarding the ncaa. That's what the pedtards fail to understand. They have no right to an investigation.

If the ncaa gets fed up with all this bullshit, the overwhelming likelihood is that Emmert simply hands down the death penalty. The smaller likelihood is that he calls for a membership vote to disassociate Penn State from the ncaa.

Yeah, and in this scenario, I think they "death penalty" the entire athletics program... actually.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Here's the Consent Decree itself

Section I, Basis for Decree is fairly illuminating.
Notable as well is the clause right above the signatures.

The thing that I'm hoping will help the BOT case is the fact that there isn't a trustee's signature on the document.
Not even the current chairperson's name is on there.

You guys may be mistaking my support for the case as support for Ped State. No no.

I want the asteroid (preferably named Dottie - she's a life sucking b**ch from whom there is no escape) to impact the earth at 40?47'46" North by 77?51'46" West......they escaped it the last time, but I'm hoping for the second time around....

 

[jlb1705]

State Penn is going to be investigated by the feds for violation of the Clery Act. Can't the NCAA hold off on an investigation until the facts are in for that case? The NCAA can't subpoena people but the feds can. They could use any evidence that the feds gather for their investigation.

The NCAA doesn't need to hold off. The have reserved the right to issue additional sanctions if more information comes out.

In essence, this is how the NCAA always works. They give everybody a chance to fess up. Then, if they find out after the fact that they weren't given the truth or some parts of it, then you get fucking hammered.

There's nothing the NCAA hates more than being lied to or being given half-truths in an inquiry. In a way, acting swiftly before other investigations are complete just sets Penn State up to be dealt with even more harshly - unless they truly did disclose everything they had in the Freeh Report.

 

[Muck]

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking that a winning coach at Ohio State couldn't obtain a similar level of control. The stakes are so high and the money is so big, the rules so ambiguous, that the desire to not see gaps in ethical conduct can certainly blur judgement.

You are greatly overstating things.

Can athletics (football in particular) place undue influence upon a University? Of course it can (and does) but Penn State presents a pretty unique set of circumstances that are virtually unheard of in any other school.

The only coach in the history of Ohio State football who would have had a shot at anything remotely close to a similar level of influence over the school was Woody Hayes.

After the Bauman incident he was fired within a day...by one of his former players (Hindman played at Miami).

 

[Delaware Buck]

Unfortuanatly, while I'd love to agree with you, I'm willing to bet that a judge that is not opinionated in the situation would probably uphold the appeal solely based on it's legal merits. If a judge does think that Erickson did overstep his authorative power in this instance, then the plea deal (let's face it, that's what it was) that he took with the NCAA is null and void. That's part of the protections they have as an organization that is incorporated and 501 (c) 3 tax exempt.

If that happens - the NCAA now has a right to do a few things. Conduct their OWN investigation. If this happens, we all know they'll be stonewalled - and then the NCAA can really drop the hammer on them like we all wanted. And they can do it during the season.

They can also do like many discussed before, and simply kick them out of the NCAA. Being part of the NCAA isn't a right - it's a privelage, and they have to abide by the guidelines, rules and regulations that the NCAA has set forth (no matter how idiotic).

I am kind of hoping for it, because I can't stand either organization (the NCAA or Ped State) at this point.

Actually there was a post from Lubrano himself on BWI that basically stated that Erickson was within the fiduciary charter at PSU to make the call to accept both the financial and non-financial sanctions that the NCAA gave them without consulting or getting concurrence from the BOT.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The NCAA doesn't need to hold off. The have reserved the right to issue additional sanctions if more information comes out.

In essence, this is how the NCAA always works. They give everybody a chance to fess up. Then, if they find out after the fact that they weren't given the truth or some parts of it, then you get [censored]ing hammered.

There's nothing the NCAA hates more than being lied to or being given half-truths in an inquiry. In a way, acting swiftly before other investigations are complete just sets Penn State up to be dealt with even more harshly - unless they truly did disclose everything they had in the Freeh Report.

Exactly, and that's what all the USC douches (seriously, I picture all of them as James Spader in Pretty In Pink) can't get through their thick heads. We self-reported, cooperated and fired the coach. They stalled, stonewalled, thumbed their nose at the ncaa until the last second and then let the coach leave on his own terms. That right there was the difference between FTM and LOIC.

Penn State seemed to be taking the former path initially. With each passing week though the leaders of the Paterno Cult faction are pushing the latter, and eventually the ncaa is going to get fed up with it. It may not be as bad as Erickson and the full board challenging the sanctions, but it has to be wearing on Emmert when he reads buttchin's comments, watches their rallies, sees who the alumni are electing to the board, reads the statements from the former players and now is actually dealing with these nuisance appeals from the Paternos and rogue members of the board and the ensuing threats of lawsuits. He doesn't need to read BWI to understand that these sanctions have done NOTHING to change the cult of football and the cult of Paterno at Penn State.

He hasn't smacked this appeal down immediately as with the Paterno appeal. I just have to wonder if that's because he's having some very serious conversations with Erickson and Peetz to get their shitheads under control or else.

 

[Taosman]

Actually, it is not your run of the mill state university. It somehow runs as a "state related" institution that is not subject to the same FOIA regs as actual state institutions.

From Wiki:

I had pointed this out earlier. This is in part how things were swept under the rug for so long. Penn State had requested and gotten this from the state years ago. Penn State said it was to protect Joe Pa's salary.
It looks very suspicious in hindsight.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

They stalled, stonewalled, thumbed their nose at the ncaa until the last second and then let the coach leave on his own terms. That right there was the difference between FTM and LOIC.

Well, in the USC report, the NCAA actually praises them for their cooperation in the investigation.

However, their AD was an arrogant ass, and their "compliance office" was only one guy, so that does drip with LOIC.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Actually there was a post from Lubrano himself on BWI that basically stated that Erickson was within the fiduciary charter at PSU to make the call to accept both the financial and non-financial sanctions that the NCAA gave them without consulting or getting concurrence from the BOT.

See, that's part of the problem I have. What freaking trustee goes on a message board and posts stuff?!?

EDIT: Never mind. I just saw this trainwreck of a video...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU&feature=player_embedded"]New Penn State-Elected Leader: Anthony Lubrano - YouTube[/ame]

And they made Adam Taliaferro a trustee?!?

 

[Taosman]

You are greatly overstating things.

Can athletics (football in particular) place undue influence upon a University? Of course it can (and does) but Penn State presents a pretty unique set of circumstances that are virtually unheard of in any other school.

The only coach in the history of Ohio State football who would have had a shot at anything remotely close to a similar level of influence over the school was Woody Hayes.

After the Bauman incident he was fired within a day...by one of his former players (Hindman played at Miami).

I pretty much agree with all of this. Ped State is a unique situation for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is they don't have to answer any FOI requests. There are only 3 states that have this.