Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[buxfan4life]

Rumor of another decommit from 2013. Zach Bradshaw.

There is also a thread on BWI claiming that Redd will have to go back to Penn State when the lawsuits happen.

These idiots are pure comedy gold. I love the stuff they pull from their asses which have absolutely no logic what-so-ever.

 

[ucfknight]

Rumor of another decommit from 2013. Zach Bradshaw.

There is also a thread on BWI claiming that Redd will have to go back to Penn State when the lawsuits happen.

These idiots are pure comedy gold. I love the stuff they pull from their asses which have absolutely no logic what-so-ever.

None of them can, right? They all officially transferred regardless of what happens with lawsuit.

 

[NFBuck]

FIFY

Oh, this lunacy goes far beyond message boards.

 

[Dryden]

Can someone explain the hierarchy to me? Can Erickson, as President over rule/ veto the roBot decision to appeal? Can he tell them to shut up and put them back into place? Can he terminate/ fire some of these roBots like Lubrano? Or does the BOT outrank the President in matters like these? I was wondering because I was thinking why doesn't Erickson just tell these roBOTs that their being idiots and tell them to step back.

The Trustees outrank the President. They pick the President.

http://www.psu.edu/trustees/

What some members of the BoT contend is that Erickson's signature is null and void because he does not have the authority to sign without approval of the Board, per Order IV 2.e of PSU's Standing Orders. [PDF]

ORDER IV. MATTERS REQUIRING APPROVAL OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES

2(e) Authorization to borrow money; authorization of persons to sign checks, contracts, legal documents, and other obligations, and to endorse, sell, or assign securities.

 

[alexhortdog95]

The Trustees outrank the President. They pick the President.

http://www.psu.edu/trustees/

What some members of the BoT contend is that Erickson's signature is null and void because he does not have the authority to sign without approval of the Board, per Order IV 2.e of PSU's Standing Orders. [PDF]

I so would love if Ped State won their case and the NCAA comes down hard on Ped State football with a 4 year ban or worse....

Here's the thing folks....

I'm a trustee of my church as well. The appeal does have teeth. The Trustees of an organization are basically a 'board of directors' when it comes to the State Secretary's office. And what happened here was amount to someone outside of our trustee board signing for a loan or something of that nature. If it's legal, unless the board of trustees give power to the president to make that deal, he can't make that deal.

With that all being said...this board of trustees is idiotic. They don't see the big picture at all. The entire NATION wants the school's head on a platter - and the NCAA was ready to do it. Erickson did what he had to do because he knew the trustees wasn't going to go for it. Gutsy? Yes. Legal? Probably not. Irregardless of what he did - it's obvious this BOT is part of the problem and they all need to be replaced. All of them, even the new ones.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Uh oh. Outsiders bring FACTS to the table...

Wow. The stupidity in that thread is enough to make my head hurt.

I wish I could see the looks on their faces when they finally get it.....but I seriously doubt any of them ever will.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

The Board's problem, then, is with Erickson, not the NCAA.

 

[alexhortdog95]

The Board's problem, then, is with Erickson, not the NCAA.

Well, it's actually with both, in a way. Their claim is that Erickson did not have the authority to accept the punishment handed down by the NCAA legally, because he's not on the board of trustees. So, they're trying to appeal the decision of the NCAA because it's illegal.

Of course, it's only illegal if the BOT did NOT give Erickson the authority to do what he did. There was that report that they didn't like what he did, but they accepted it the day it came down. They could move to fire Erickson for misconduct - but that would remove the one shining light they've had in this whole debacle of Peddusky-gate.

The worst case scenario for them (the school) in this situation is for the appeal to be upheld. That, of course, would be the best case for us....

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I so would love if Ped State won their case and the NCAA comes down hard on Ped State football with a 4 year ban or worse....

they seriously don't see that as an option. they think the Freeh report is full of lies because he doesn't have a video of Paterno turning around while Sandusky rapes a kid right next to him. they don't realize the Freeh investigators had no subpoena power, so the information they gathered was just whoever was willing to talk (and they still got what they did). it was never required to meet the standards of evidence in a court of law.

these idiots think a judge will throw out the NCAA's ruling, and the NCAA would just say "damn. well.....we tried. you're off the hook penn state". here's what happens if the NCAA ruling gets thrown out (which it won't): the NCAA gets to do it's own investigation. only this time, they already know what questions to ask, who to ask, and what the answers will be. they also have the ability to look for more than just Sandusky related violations. of course, the idiot penn state fans think they won all those games and recruited all those players without the benefits that kids got at every other school. so they're actually welcoming the NCAA on campus to look through their dirty laundry.

the stupidity of these people is mind boggling....especially when you realize this isn't a few jackass messageboarders throwing a fit, it's their elected board of trustees. holy christ......take a couple seconds and let that sink in. sometimes I just take for granted how retarded these people are because I've had to deal with them my whole life and I'm used to it.

 

[NFBuck]

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Nominate | Report Posted: Yesterday 12:33 PM
Penn State Must Fight for Transfers

Looking at the transfers, one thing is clear to me. Not a single one is due to the scandal.

Redd wants the USC spotlight.

Brown is apparently an ***** who thinks he will miraculously become a better NFL prospect as a secondary target in a college offense that does not translate to the NFL rather than the number 1 target on actual NFL offense.

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Pollard was never firm in the first place
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Nobody is transferring because they no longer want to be associated with penn state. They are transferring for typical transfer reasons. If you gave the kids on any other team the option of transfer without losing a year,. USC, Bama, Michigan, any school. You would have a bunch of transfers. Every school has kids who are not satisfied with their playing time or they're homesick, or whatever, and they would absolutely jump ship if they didn't have to sit out a year.


Having said all that, how can the NCAA justify this wild west, no rules, type of recruitment of penn state's players for next year.

Other schools can do just about anything to recruit these kids. Show up at their houses. Call them. Stalk them on Facebook. Anything.

Now that the primary motivation (IE kids will lfeel trapped at evil penn state) for the NCAA allowing this horrible situation has already proven false, there is no justification to allow this free for all to proceed any further.

I'm not saying psu should fight to have the transfers ended. We know that won't happen, but psu can make a very compelling argument for putting much more restriction on how other schools recruit these kids.

Here are my suggestions for what penn state should demand

1 every school should submit a list to the NCAA of kids on psu that they are interested in
2 any psu kid can request the names of the schools who have interest in them without that school knowing
3 the kid should then inform the NCAA of which schools they would like to hear from. Only those schools can contact the player or their family.
4 the players parents must be contacted by recruiters
5 no recruitment at all should be allowed once the academic semester starts.
6 recruitment can not resume until the semester ends.
7 recruiters should be restricted to the same contact rules for high school kids.

These are all very reasonable and if the NCAA actually cared about student athletes, this is how it should be already. It is unacceptable that they have allowed this process to proceed with almost no rules at all.
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Sweet fancy Moses...

They're not transferring because ped aggy is a disgraced football graveyard, you guys. Also, everything they were hammered for has been PROVEN FALSE. Wow, it takes a special level of denial to just make things up and present them as FACT. Cults, man.

 

[buxfan4life]

I really hope this leads to a full blown NCAA investigation. Penn State doesn't want that to happen, and is why Peetz, their legal council and Erickson accpeted what was doled out.

The fans (this include Loony Lubrano and his merry band of misfits) have no clue as to what really went on behind closed doors at their beloved place of worshi....er....I mean university. I am sure if the truth really does come out, many of these people will end up with PTSD since their feeble minds won't be able to grasp the fact that Joe was in fact human and very mortal.

 

[alexhortdog95]

these idiots think a judge will throw out the NCAA's ruling, and the NCAA would just say "damn. well.....we tried. you're off the hook penn state".

Unfortuanatly, while I'd love to agree with you, I'm willing to bet that a judge that is not opinionated in the situation would probably uphold the appeal solely based on it's legal merits. If a judge does think that Erickson did overstep his authorative power in this instance, then the plea deal (let's face it, that's what it was) that he took with the NCAA is null and void. That's part of the protections they have as an organization that is incorporated and 501 (c) 3 tax exempt.

If that happens - the NCAA now has a right to do a few things. Conduct their OWN investigation. If this happens, we all know they'll be stonewalled - and then the NCAA can really drop the hammer on them like we all wanted. And they can do it during the season.

They can also do like many discussed before, and simply kick them out of the NCAA. Being part of the NCAA isn't a right - it's a privelage, and they have to abide by the guidelines, rules and regulations that the NCAA has set forth (no matter how idiotic).

I am kind of hoping for it, because I can't stand either organization (the NCAA or Ped State) at this point.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Well, it's actually with both, in a way. Their claim is that Erickson did not have the authority to accept the punishment handed down by the NCAA legally, because he's not on the board of trustees. So, they're trying to appeal the decision of the NCAA because it's illegal.

Of course, it's only illegal if the BOT did NOT give Erickson the authority to do what he did. There was that report that they didn't like what he did, but they accepted it the day it came down. They could move to fire Erickson for misconduct - but that would remove the one shining light they've had in this whole debacle of Peddusky-gate.

The worst case scenario for them (the school) in this situation is for the appeal to be upheld. That, of course, would be the best case for us....

Exactly. The fact that the board ratified it pretty much closes the matter, regardless of Erickson's authority.

 

[exhawg]

I really hope this leads to a full blown NCAA investigation. Penn State doesn't want that to happen, and is why Peetz, their legal council and Erickson accpeted what was doled out.

The fans (this include Loony Lubrano and his merry band of misfits) have no clue as to what really went on behind closed doors at their beloved place of worshi....er....I mean university. I am sure if the truth really does come out, many of these people will end up with PTSD since their feeble minds won't be able to grasp the fact that Joe was in fact a horrible human being that only cared about his legacy.

FIFY

 

[alexhortdog95]

Exactly. The fact that the board ratified it pretty much closes the matter, regardless of Erickson's authority.

Well, the media says it did, but unless it came to a vote and the their ruling majority accepted the offer, don't matter what the media says.

It's a state run institution, so whatever the trustees voted would be a matter of public record. I'm willing to bet they never voted on what Erickson did (hence them complaining about him making the decision without consulting them).

It all comes down to what is in their bylaws on what the president can do, and what autonomous authorities he can wield. If they want a snowball's chance in hell of winning the appeal, they need to make it about Erickson and his decision and stop bringing up that darned report.