Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

[409fold]

I glossed over the parsing out of the language in my other post as you replied, as this really cuts to the quick. The inescapable fact is PSU, as you admit, is the only party to a contract with FSS. In this instance (and I don't know the Statute of Limitation for contract actions in Pennsylvania - in Ohio it is 8 years) PSU's silence constitutes some degree of an acknowledgement that FSS did nothing in breach of their contract. Admittedly, the "carefully worded statement" could well be so as to not foreclose future action against FSS, but as you concede, they do not seem inclined to pursue the same. Until PSU files a breach of contract action, the assumption must be that there was no breach, not some other parade of horribles.

In this respect, it must be also noted that the BoT is the entity responsible for making decisions on behalf of PSU. Now... PSU people can question their decisions and come up with any manner of conspiracy they wish. Nonetheless, the BoT acts in the best interest of the University. The failure of "cultists" to recognize this fact is .... well.. ridiculous. Which is to say, the assumption in law is that the BoT is performing it's function appropriately, failing evidence to the contrary.

And, that's the thing isn't it... evidence to the contrary... For us, out here in the public, we see things and we make up our minds about what the BoT should do. But... the plain reality is the BoT is privy to information that we, the public, are not. Their silence in this matter, to me, is not an indictment of their decision making... instead it is an informed decision on information held by them in the best interest of PSU - the UNIVERSITY, not the football team or some fucking coach.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I find that most "cultists" don't understand the difference. They see football.. really, they see a zombie icon... and they assume one that does not, even a PSU BoT member him or herself.. is nefarious. That, my friend, is they height of hero worship.

Good post, and a perfectly fair post.

Penn State leadership's strategy since July 2012 has been "always play nice with the NCAA, even if there are reasons to feel that they wronged us." And that's a perfectly reasonable and sane strategy during the heart of the sanctions, of course! And one I supported.

Sanctions are over now, though. I have no issues with poking at either FSS or the NCAA if Penn State leadership has a belief that they were wronged by either.

The Paterno vs. NCAA case is still out there. For better or worse, it is personal between those two. Which means this will likely go the distance: there will be no pre-trial settlement. Maybe it's hopeful wishing from Paterno Loyalists, but I've heard rumors more than a few times that the Paternos have a one-time NCAA member who has "flipped" to their side for the trial. I'm not a conspiracy guy or a JoeBot, but I do think there is some smoke on this one. Julie Roe Lach is an interesting candidate to be that person. She was in on all the conversations back in July 2012. Emmert fired her back in 2013. Fall-out from the NCAA bungling things with the Miami investigation. James Isch is the one who SHOULD have been fired for that. Emmert did sort of throw Lach under the bus on that one. Lach is still around, she is now the Horizon League Commissioner.

It may take a while, but I do think my question (why exactly were the NCAA and FSS communicating as early as December 2011) gets answered eventually.

 

[Mike80]

Damn Straight.

 

[brodybuck21]

haha spot on! im currently re-watching the entire Sopranos series from start to finish and I just started season 2 the other day where Richie Aprile surfaces for the first time.....

 

[Mike80]

haha spot on! im currently re-watching the entire Sopranos series from start to finish and I just started season 2 the other day where Richie Aprile surfaces for the first time.....

I ain't buildin him no fuckin ramp....

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

The Cult is up in arms because McAndrew has not been quick enough in banning non Cultists from BWI. Apparently, the presence of non Cult members is ruining BWI and chasing away the quality posters who put quote marks around the word "victims" and insist that Joesus has been martyred by the Board of Trustees. The linked thread seems a bit like NAMBLA or the KKK whining that the purity of their message board has been impugned by trolls who just don't understand.

My favorite post in the thread was Jim Cummins complaining, apparently without a bit of irony, that it is up to McAndrew if he wants his name associated with a "cesspool" by not being fast enough in banning posters who disagree with the Cult. LOL

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/does-a-pitt-fan-moderate-this-messageboard.82517/

dwiz: "This site really has gone to shit, on purpose. They want you to upgrade to pay version where the trolls aren't."

lionlurker: "I am inclined to agree with the above. This site has gone to shit due to the trolls and lack of mod effort, and perhaps they think we'll get so frustrated that we move over to the pay site. At any rate, we are definitely losing the war here, and I perceive that less and less of the old guard is hanging around here because of it."

BobPSU92: "It seems that way. We have a guy here branded as a moderator with PSU Football pictures in his signature, yet he trashes PSU on other Rivals sites. He tries to fit in here, but no one is buying it. Troll."

Mixolydian: "I am already a paying member of the Den, yet still agree with all of these comments. I don't get it. It seems the membership base doesn't like the way the board is moderated lately, but perhaps with the influx of Pitt trolls we are the vocal minority now..."

lionlurker: "I think the issue is that the board isn't moderated lately."

BobPSU92: "Yet threads in which trolls post inaccurate statements regarding sandusky and Joe remain. The offending posts aren't even deleted. Maybe erickson moderates this board."

EPC Fan: "Trolls wouldn't be so bothersome if the conversations stayed on point. However, they almost always degenerate into some form of 'you all enabled Sandusky to rape boys in your showers,' which brings out the long knives, because it is not fact."

jim cummins: "The key to all of this is Tom McAndrew. This is his board and if he's ok that his name is associated with a "cesspool", then that's on him."

psuro: "So, the terrorists really have won?"

psu00: "I agree the mods have done a pretty bad job here the past few weeks."

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Sounds like a lot of pedsters had their weekend ruined.

 

[Abenaki]

I haven't been as entertained by the topics over there recently, but they've got their new tin foil hats on today (or yesterday, as it were). Even better it was started by rutgersal, who predicted last year that Rutgers would beat Ohio State like 56-24 or something like that.

dclionsfan

We don't cheat.!

cvilleelkscoach

LOL, a Kentucky buckeye. Wow, that's a combo. BTW, it's regardless not irregardless. OSU and the big 10 were in bad shape when we joined. Thanks to PSU, you got a better TV contract, more national interest and back in the national spotlight. It had been decades since the conference had won a national championship, 1968. PSU raised the profile and competitiveness of the conference. So don't tell us about down times. You had 3 plus decades of them too.

Hotshoe

Hey douchebag, who has the most National Championships since we joined the B1G? Twice as many. Nice job coming here and being a Dick.

Tweedbear

The big ten has been a two team conference most of my life. The other eight teams played supporting roles.

The ADs did not want us in the conference as Bob Greise(sp)said on national TV they were afraid we were going to win everything. For a while it was close to the truth. With the exception of basketball we have been more than competitive in all other sports and until recently that would include football.

Look at BTN it operates as if OSU and UM were the only members. Almost a recruiting channel.

Alphabets

They're a fake heart attack away from being 9-3. Only a matter of time.

Papa Johns for everyone!!!!!

uhlerlion

that's funny because pre big ten it looked like this

So its not so clear what pond you might be regarding--or "irregarding"(pun intended)
November 17, 1912 Columbus Penn State 37 Ohio State 0 Penn State 1–0
October 20, 1956 Columbus Penn State 7 #5 Ohio State 6 Penn State 2–0
November 9, 1963 Columbus Penn State 10 #10 Ohio State 7 Penn State 3–0
November 7, 1964 Columbus Penn State 27 #2 Ohio State 0 Penn State 4–0
September 20, 1975 Columbus #3 Ohio State 17 #7 Penn State 9 Penn State 4–1
September 18, 1976 State College #2 Ohio State 12 #7 Penn State 7 Penn State 4–2
September 16, 1978 Columbus #5 Penn State 19 #6 Ohio State 0 Penn State 5–2
December 26, 1980 Tempe, AZ1 #10 Penn State 31 #11 Ohio State 19 Penn State 6–2

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/its-osus-world-were-just-living-in-it.83342/#post-1189322

 

[AJHawkfan]

I saw that one, and wasn't nearly as amused by it as I was by this thread: https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...ened-and-joe-retired-when-he-was-fired.83117/

They hypothesize about what might've been had they been more successful at covering up Jerr-Bear's horseplay and almighty Joesus would have been allowed to retire instead of allowing himself to get fired. Specifically, they wonder who Joesus might've anointed as the chosen one to follow in his footsteps. Of course, the overwhelming answer is Urban Meyer himself. This does raise a couple of questions in my simple Buckeye mind....

1. If Joesus was nothing more than a mere employee of the University, and not responsible for policing his own employees or facilities, (as they've insisted since the scandal broke) how or why would be ever be entrusted to hand-pick his own successor?
2. Urban at tOSU is a slimy, no-good cheater. Had he been willing to accept Joesus' appointment, however, the cult seemingly would've accepted him with open arms.....
3. One moron actually suggested JayPa would've been the chosen one..... Gotta be a troll.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I saw that one, and wasn't nearly as amused by it as I was by this thread: https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...ened-and-joe-retired-when-he-was-fired.83117/

They hypothesize about what might've been had they been more successful at covering up Jerr-Bear's horseplay and almighty Joesus would have been allowed to retire instead of allowing himself to get fired. Specifically, they wonder who Joesus might've anointed as the chosen one to follow in his footsteps. Of course, the overwhelming answer is Urban Meyer himself. This does raise a couple of questions in my simple Buckeye mind....

1. If Joesus was nothing more than a mere employee of the University, and not responsible for policing his own employees or facilities, (as they've insisted since the scandal broke) how or why would be ever be entrusted to hand-pick his own successor?
2. Urban at tOSU is a slimy, no-good cheater. Had he been willing to accept Joesus' appointment, however, the cult seemingly would've accepted him with open arms.....
3. One moron actually suggested JayPa would've been the chosen one..... Gotta be a troll.

they all firmly believe Urban was headed there after JoePa.....and most of them are now glad he didn't make it there. delusions are powerful things.

 

[LostLassie]

they all firmly believe Urban was headed there after JoePa.....and most of them are now glad he didn't make it there. delusions are powerful things.

Kinda like the guy who has convinced himself that every woman who turns down his advances does so because she's a bitchy lesbian: Attractive and desirable, right up until the microsecond after she says "no".

 

[Abenaki]

I saw that one, and wasn't nearly as amused by it as I was by this thread: https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...ened-and-joe-retired-when-he-was-fired.83117/

They hypothesize about what might've been had they been more successful at covering up Jerr-Bear's horseplay and almighty Joesus would have been allowed to retire instead of allowing himself to get fired. Specifically, they wonder who Joesus might've anointed as the chosen one to follow in his footsteps. Of course, the overwhelming answer is Urban Meyer himself. This does raise a couple of questions in my simple Buckeye mind....

1. If Joesus was nothing more than a mere employee of the University, and not responsible for policing his own employees or facilities, (as they've insisted since the scandal broke) how or why would be ever be entrusted to hand-pick his own successor?
2. Urban at tOSU is a slimy, no-good cheater. Had he been willing to accept Joesus' appointment, however, the cult seemingly would've accepted him with open arms.....
3. One moron actually suggested JayPa would've been the chosen one..... Gotta be a troll.

Damn, that one is better.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Alphabets

They're a fake heart attack away from being 9-3. Only a matter of time.

Papa Johns for everyone!!!!!

Most State Penn fans would kill to have a 9-3 football team right now.

Specifically, they wonder who Joesus might've anointed as the chosen one to follow in his footsteps. Of course, the overwhelming answer is Urban Meyer himself.

they all firmly believe Urban was headed there after JoePa.....and most of them are now glad he didn't make it there. delusions are powerful things.

When he was at Utah, Urban Meyer's contract had "out clauses" for Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame. No mention of Penn State. Why? Because Urban Meyer never had any interest in Penn State.

Interesting side note: In 2004, Notre Dame fired Ty Willingham, and Urban Meyer was widely considered to be a leading candidate to replace him. Notre Dame and Meyer couldn't reach an agreement (Notre Dame slow played Meyer while Florida delivered him a quick offer); Meyer went to Florida; and Notre Dame hired Mr. Decided Schematic Advantage. Since then, Notre Dame has a record of 90-51 (.638 winning percentage) and no national championships, while Meyer is 116-19 (.859 winning percentage) with three national championships.

Memo to Notre Dame: Thank you for letting us profit off of your arrogance.

 

[LostLassie]

Most State Penn fans would kill to have a 9-3 football team right now.



When he was at Utah, Urban Meyer's contract had "out clauses" for Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame. No mention of Penn State. Why? Because Urban Meyer never had any interest in Penn State.

Interesting side note: In 2004, Notre Dame fired Ty Willingham, and Urban Meyer was widely considered to be a leading candidate to replace him. Notre Dame and Meyer couldn't reach an agreement (Notre Dame slow played Meyer while Florida delivered him a quick offer); Meyer went to Florida; and Notre Dame hired Mr. Decided Schematic Advantage. Since then, Notre Dame has a record of 90-51 (.638 winning percentage) and no national championships, while Meyer is 116-19 (.859 winning percentage) with three national championships.

Memo to Notre Dame: Thank you for letting profit off of your arrogance.

You've overlooked the real horror story we all escaped: Imagine ND right now if they had picked up three NCs.

 

[409fold]

Interesting side note: In 2004, Notre Dame fired Ty Willingham, and Urban Meyer was widely considered to be a leading candidate to replace him. Notre Dame and Meyer couldn't reach an agreement (Notre Dame slow played Meyer while Florida delivered him a quick offer); Meyer went to Florida; and Notre Dame hired Mr. Decided Schematic Advantage. Since then, Notre Dame has a record of 90-51 (.638 winning percentage) and no national championships, while Meyer is 116-19 (.859 winning percentage) with three national championships.

Memo to Notre Dame: Thank you for letting profit off of your arrogance.

The odd thing: Florida really was NOT that quick with hiring Urban Meyer --- they fired Ron Zook mid-season (October 25 to be exact), and Urban agreed to be the new Gators HC on December 3. There were a full 13 days after Florida's regular season ended (also a full 13 days after Utah's regular season ended).

As I recall, Notre Dame didn't "slow play" Urban as much as they took WAY too long to fire Willingham. Looks like that occurred on December 1st. He was a dead-man walking at mid-season that year (essentially after their 4-touchdown home loss to Purdue!! in early October). They honestly should have announced the firing the Sunday AM after their USC loss instead of waiting multiple days.

I do remember where I was that Friday afternoon when I first heard the "Urban to Gainesville" news. It felt then like a massive whiff by Notre Dame --- and history has proven that correct.

 

[409fold]

When he was at Utah, Urban Meyer's contract had "out clauses" for Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame. No mention of Penn State. Why? Because Urban Meyer never had any interest in Penn State.

I'm not an insider, but there was a not insignificant amount of "smoke" around Urban/Penn State in October 2011. I think it's fair to say he was at least giving it a moderate-level of consideration.

The big issue: even in an "alternate universe" where there is no Sandusky story in November 2011 ---- PSU still has to somehow manage transitioning the HC job away from a no-longer-capable-of-holding-the-job-but-still-wanting-to-hold-the-job JoePa. That probably would not have been an orderly process. Easier for someone who has other options to stay away from that fray.

I have no issues w/ Urban myself. Obviously, he's very good at his job.