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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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409fold said:
I'm not a legal expert by any means --- but this ruling does seem right to me. The DA (Frank Fina) and the Judge (Feudale) KNEW that Baldwin said she was representing Penn State. Then Spanier/Curley say that Baldwin was representing them. It's on the Judge to figure that out then and there.
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What's the difference? I am not seeing it or frankly your point here. All three were acting on behalf of PSU as part of their job function. Baldwin was the advocate for PSU. This isn't some civil matter that involved Spanier, Curley and Schultz and their time away from PSU. Baldwin was under no obligation to protect C/S/S. She was there to protect the university from liability and damages

It's like the old adage, HR at any company you work for is not your friend. They are there to protect the interests of the company. If that aligns with your case, great. If not, don't expect any favors.
 
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Delaware Buck said:
What's the difference? I am not seeing it or frankly your point here. All three were acting on behalf of PSU as part of their job function. Baldwin was the advocate for PSU. This isn't some civil matter that involved Spanier, Curley and Schultz and their time away from PSU. Baldwin was under no obligation to protect C/S/S. She was there to protect the university from liability and damages

It's like the old adage, HR at any company you work for is not your friend. They are there to protect the interests of the company. If that aligns with your case, great. If not, don't expect any favors.
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Sure, Baldwin should have made sure C/S/S knew the situation. She should have corrected Spanier the second he said "Baldwin is representing me." She didn't. And there's a significant chance she will be disbarred over this one.

But it is ALSO Judge Feudale's job to make sure there is no room for ambiguity. When he hears Baldwin say "I am representing PSU", then he hears C/S/S say "Baldwin is representing me personally", he needs to say "wait a second here." Making sure the defendants' rights are protected is part of HIS job.

And Judge Feudale messed that up. Judge Feudale has even admitted that he might have screwed up: "In hindsight, perhaps I erred in not asking follow up questions about the role of corporate counsel Baldwin." The courts have ruled that Judge Feudale did screw up.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
It seems to me like not being an "ends justify the means" kind of guy goes hand in hand with "well....somebody else fucked up so we're off the hook. let's party" kind of guy.
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Well, we've had this "ends justify the means" discussion before. I know you disagree.

I believe in the next world. I also believe that there are no passages to the "good side" of that world via the use of legal technicalities.

But for the world in which you and I currently reside: I do believe that in ALL cases, defendants' rights deserve to be protected. It's not a case of "well, fuck it, let's go party" --- it's a case of "protecting defendants' rights in all cases makes us a better society."

We'll hit a perfect 1.000 when it comes to "justice" in the next world. I'm content with knowing we may not hit a perfect 1.000 in this world.
 
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409fold said:
Well, that has the potential to be a full-fledged circus. It's supposed to be limited to 50+ year olds, but yeah ......

I looked through the OLLI catalog, there is also a course in "Re-Investigating 9/11."
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Sadly (or comically) The 9/11 conspiracy class likely has more FAX and EVIDENTS to it than most of the crap that the cult comes up with.
 
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409fold said:
...I also believe that there are no passages to the "good side" of that world via the use of legal technicalities.

But for the world in which you and I currently reside: I do believe that in ALL cases, defendants' rights deserve to be protected. It's not a case of "well, fuck it, let's go party" --- it's a case of "protecting defendants' rights in all cases makes us a better society."
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Just curious... Does that belief apply only in the court of law, or does it also apply to everyday life?
 
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