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Penn State Cult (Joe Knew)

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Joe Pa Thetic said:
I usually like reading what psudukie has to say. For how much [Mark May] the Cult slings at him, he seems relatively rational and civil. Obviously, he is not going to throw his brother under the bus. But psudukie has long voiced on both Audibles and BWI that his brother was the one telling the truth and some things will come out at trial that shatters some widely-held beliefs of BWI and (to a leser extent) Audibles.

This is in no way whatsoever defending Joesus' horrid moral failing in light of the Sandusky atrocities. But I do think Joesus had some sort of stroke or mental episode around 2009. Even before the scandal broke, his press conferences the last two years were absolute trainwrecks with him being unable to remember player names or, at times, even who PSU was playing the following week. IMO, Joesus declined severely cognitively the last two years or so of his life. Sometimes, in his interviews or press conferences, he would ramble into stories about players or games from 30 years ago. Even before the scandal hit, there was speculation on BWI and Audibles in 2010-11 that Joesus had suffered a mild stroke.
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And yet nobody at the university had the power to make the wretched old man step down before he seized the holy 409.
 
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Joe Pa Thetic said:
That was 1969, when Penn St. opted to go to the Orange Bowl to play Missouri rather than go to the Cotton Bowl to take on No. 1 Texas. At the time the bowl bids were accepted, Penn St. was No. 3 behind and Ohio St. Ohio St. losing to Michigan moved the Pedsters up to No. 2, but they had already accepted an invitation from the Orange Bowl. Supposedly, the PSU players voted against going to Dallas because of the racial atmosphere in Dallas at the time and the John Birch Society being headquartered there.

Texas won the Cotton Bowl and Nixon declared them national champions. The entire, 45-year saga of Pedster whining about 1969 was chronicled in the ESPN 30 for 30 "Nixon's National Champs." Obviously, it was incredibly short-sighted of the Pedsters not to go to the Cotton Bowl if there was any chance they could be playing for a national championship. But 1969 is where "The World is Out to Get Us" seeds were sewn with Paterno and PSU. Nixon declaring Texas national champions was what prompted the victimized Joesus to wonder several years later, "How could [Nixon] supposedly know so much about college football and so little about Watergate?"

I am sure this is a generational thing, but much of the bitching about the Pedsters getting screwed out of the 1969 national championship has since been replaced by crying over 1994 and the Big 10 having to put the Pedsters in their place for coming in and dominating the way they did.
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I don't blame any team from north of the Mason - Dixon Line for avoiding playing Texas in the Cotton Bowl, any SEC team but especially LSU, Alabama or Auburn in the Sugar Bowl. Add to that playing USC or UCLA in the Rose Bowl.
 
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Joe Pa Thetic said:
I usually like reading what psudukie has to say. For how much [Mark May] the Cult slings at him, he seems relatively rational and civil. Obviously, he is not going to throw his brother under the bus. But psudukie has long voiced on both Audibles and BWI that his brother was the one telling the truth and some things will come out at trial that shatters some widely-held beliefs of BWI and (to a leser extent) Audibles.

This is in no way whatsoever defending Joesus' horrid moral failing in light of the Sandusky atrocities. But I do think Joesus had some sort of stroke or mental episode around 2009. Even before the scandal broke, his press conferences the last two years were absolute trainwrecks with him being unable to remember player names or, at times, even who PSU was playing the following week. IMO, Joesus declined severely cognitively the last two years or so of his life. Sometimes, in his interviews or press conferences, he would ramble into stories about players or games from 30 years ago. Even before the scandal hit, there was speculation on BWI and Audibles in 2010-11 that Joesus had suffered a mild stroke.
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Meanwhile the family hired a camera crew to film JoePed at the practice facility looking spry, getting on players, coaching, etc... all in an effort to show that he was as fit ever and force the school to retain him. The Pedterno family wants it both way; he was too old to remember anything from 2001 & 1998 but completely fit to coach another 10 years.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
The university deserved everything they got for letting a man coach who on occasion thought it was 1985.
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Well, that explains everything. Since Joesus was still living in 1985, he couldn't possibly have learned of Jerry's future crimes. I mean, what did you expect him to do? Build his own Delorean with a fusion reactor? Good grief! The man wasn't God, after all...just the second in command.
 
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Joe Pa Thetic said:
But I do think Joesus had some sort of stroke or mental episode around 2009. Even before the scandal broke, his press conferences the last two years were absolute trainwrecks with him being unable to remember player names or, at times, even who PSU was playing the following week. IMO, Joesus declined severely cognitively the last two years or so of his life. Sometimes, in his interviews or press conferences, he would ramble into stories about players or games from 30 years ago. Even before the scandal hit, there was speculation on BWI and Audibles in 2010-11 that Joesus had suffered a mild stroke.
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I too think something happened in the 2009-2010 time frame. More probably 2010. That something was likely either (1) a stroke or (2) lung cancer beginning to take hold and slowly degrading the body (mind included) as a whole.

I think Number 2. I think the cancer took hold in 2010 --- my proof is simply comparing visuals among 2009 (a gradually and steadily aging but still a-bit-younger-looking-than-his-82-years-old grandpa type), the 2010 opener (noticeably older vs. 2009), the 2011 Outback Bowl (noticeably older vs. the opener), and the 2011 season (suddenly looking like a 90-year-old who escaped from the nursing home).

I know it sucks for a family to have to come to terms with their patriarch figure nearing his end --- I've unfortunately gone through it with my own Dad who died this past January. But I'm 90% certain the family knew about the cancer in 2010 (if not before, I know Joe was old but his type of lung cancer still had a 70% survival rate over 5 years. Joe died QUICK after the announcement). And it was rather selfish for Joe to continue on as Head Coach knowing such.

Anyway: the 12-January-2011 grand jury testimony. Joe likely WAS sick at that point. Others aren't wrong IMO when they measure his words against his likely mental state at that time.

But IMO, Joe's health (and the exact wording of his testimony) on 12-January-2011 is ultimately irrelevant. The REAL relevant question is: Did Joe know about the 1998 investigation in 2001? I think he did. Given such, the only words that McQueary said that matter are "shower, Sandusky, Friday night, 10 PM, young boy." Whatever else McQueary did or didn't say surrounding those 8 words are irrelevant. Those 8 words alone (and there's no real doubt McQueary said those 8 words) were enough to create the moral imperative for Joe to tell law enforcement, even if Curley/Spanier/Schultz did not or would not.
 
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I'm pretty sure that Joesus knew he had cancer before his final season but kept it from the public and his employer so that he could get the holy 409. He was an 80 something man with a Cadillac health plan. Highly unlikely that he wasn't getting frequent checkups and preventative care in his later years. I'm just grateful that he lived long enough to see his lifelong grift come crashing down in spectacular fashion.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I'm pretty sure that Joesus knew he had cancer before his final season but kept it from the public and his employer so that he could get the holy 409.
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It seems weird to me that 409 became a big deal once Joesus passed the record. As Joesus was closing in on the Bear Bryant record of 323, that was the one viewed as the meaningful number and had the hype associated with it. The BoT are clearly evil for not letting Joesus' rotting corpse chase John Gagliardi's overall college football win record of 489.

I know D3 football is horribly uncompetitive, but the numbers of Larry Kehres at Mount Union (Ohio) are ridiculous. In 27 seasons at Mount Union, Kehres was 332-24-3 (929 winning percentage). Kehres also won 11 national titles and had 21 unbeaten regular seasons in those 27 years. :yow1:
 
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Zurp said:
Yeah. What's REALLY sad is that some of them believe that Sandusky is innocent. They HAVE to believe that, because for as long as Sandusky is a child molester, the public will see Joe Paterno as a molester-enabler.

http://bwi.forums.rivals.com/thread...paterno-and-dave-jones-on-worldwide-tv.29193/



Sure, some argue this point in that thread. But he doesn't care.




His response:
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1. Quite a bit of pushback on Sandusky... ok... looking a little up
2. The middle ground is ofc that Paterno and PSU are the victims... disgusting

Then there's this amusing quote:
"Just one more question, answer if you can. When Coach Paterno testified, was he mentally fit to be testifying?"

So he was good to continue being the Head Coach... but not mentally unfit to testify in court? BTW, his "BEAT NEBRASKA" speech kinda kills the idea that he had lost his mental faculties.
These sick people will trot out any half-assed excuse to get their Dear Leader off.


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Any guesses how the cult is reacting to this?
Over/under on number of posts before "he gets it"?
http://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/franklin-bringing-in-the-band.29274/
Tenth post
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I didn't get the issue with this... ?
I mean, the posters are kinda funny... like High Schools don't have drumlines these days. :lol:
 
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409fold said:
I too think something happened in the 2009-2010 time frame. More probably 2010. That something was likely either (1) a stroke or (2) lung cancer beginning to take hold and slowly degrading the body (mind included) as a whole.

I think Number 2. I think the cancer took hold in 2010 --- my proof is simply comparing visuals among 2009 (a gradually and steadily aging but still a-bit-younger-looking-than-his-82-years-old grandpa type), the 2010 opener (noticeably older vs. 2009), the 2011 Outback Bowl (noticeably older vs. the opener), and the 2011 season (suddenly looking like a 90-year-old who escaped from the nursing home).

I know it sucks for a family to have to come to terms with their patriarch figure nearing his end --- I've unfortunately gone through it with my own Dad who died this past January. But I'm 90% certain the family knew about the cancer in 2010 (if not before, I know Joe was old but his type of lung cancer still had a 70% survival rate over 5 years. Joe died QUICK after the announcement). And it was rather selfish for Joe to continue on as Head Coach knowing such.

Anyway: the 12-January-2011 grand jury testimony. Joe likely WAS sick at that point. Others aren't wrong IMO when they measure his words against his likely mental state at that time.

But IMO, Joe's health (and the exact wording of his testimony) on 12-January-2011 is ultimately irrelevant. The REAL relevant question is: Did Joe know about the 1998 investigation in 2001? I think he did. Given such, the only words that McQueary said that matter are "shower, Sandusky, Friday night, 10 PM, young boy." Whatever else McQueary did or didn't say surrounding those 8 words are irrelevant. Those 8 words alone (and there's no real doubt McQueary said those 8 words) were enough to create the moral imperative for Joe to tell law enforcement, even if Curley/Spanier/Schultz did not or would not.
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Wasn't it 2010 media day when everyone first questioned it?
 
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Franklin's 2016 recruiting class just jumped Bama and Ole Miss to #4 overall at 247 with the addition of 4* DT Karamo Dioubate yesterday.

Don't think he'll be able to close out that highly, but the B1G currently sitting with 3 teams in the Top 7 (and Sparty at 12) should help turn around perception of the conference in the coming years. The East division is going to be ridiculous.

Welcome to the conference, Rutgers and Maryland!
 
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