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Dryden;1928774; said:
Meant to answer this earlier, but didn't have the time, because I had a rant in mind ...


No, not Atkins. Atkins was an obesity researcher whose diet was a crash course intervention to save the lives of Type II diabetics who were too obese to even begin basic exercise. Atkins was right, but his methods were first too extreme and strict for the general population, then later too loose when the diet exploded in the 90s (along with South Beach, the Zone, and others) and food manufacturers looked to cash in by making low carb frankenfoods, which is just junk food with fewer carbs, all of which misses the point of doing the alternative: Eating natures' whole foods.

I generally try to follow a paleo (or primal, evolutionary, archevore, or whatever) diet. Eat animals, plants, nuts, and in-season fruit. Drink water. That's it.



Lucky Charms has protein and fiber too. In fact, its main ingredient is oats. ... And it has marshmallows! :tongue2:

The most important thing is don't eat the monocot grass seeds (corn, soy, wheat, oats, &c). That stuff is bird seed, and I mean that literally! Birds are the only animals on the planet that have the internal structure to digest monocot grass seed. Homo sapiens do not, and cannot, no matter how big the industrial machines we build to grind this stuff down to dust and engineer it into other things.

This is why when you eat golden, whole kernels of corn, it comes out the other end still looking like golden, whole kernels of corn. That is corn's evolutionary mechanism to survive and advance -- the seed not only survives digestion, but now it returns to the soil wrapped in fertilizer! Mother Nature was a genius!

This is also why when you eat a big bowl of "healthy fiber" (sticks and twigs) your body looks to expel it as quickly as possible. Hence, classic SNL jokes like "Super Colon Blow." Wheat and oats give most people diarrhea. Over time, they give people diseases like IBS and "leaky gut," whose symptoms largely mimic those of celiacs and gluten insensitive people, which is to say some people are more tolerant of poison than others, but it doesn't mean it's not poisonous to all of us, some of us just got lucky enough to inherit genes that require we injest a bigger dose to knock us cold. Incidentally, the diarrhea we get when we eat that big bowl of Super Colon Blow in the morning, or perhaps the morning after a late-night beer bender (which is all corn & wheat) should be a clue about how unhealthy the stuff actually is. We eat foods that cause us to exhibit symptoms that otherwise only manifest when we're sick or poisoned, yet presume it's completely natural because the government has convinced us that our health depends on stuff we didn't eat for over 99% of our evolutionary existence.

Eating "healthy fiber" in the form of wheat, oats, corn, and soy is about as good for your digestive system as scrubbing it out with detergent and a wire brush.

Picture this: You're a 'wild' human, - a caveman or a hunter-gatherer, - and you come across oats. Are you going to eat this?

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In its natural state it is not filling, it makes your mouth dry, and it has no distinct flavor or sweetness that anybody would find appealing. Oh, and it also makes you sick.

And even putting all that aside, there's the other issue that oatmeal scores between a 58 (regular) to a 66 (instant) on the glycemic index. Table sugar (sucrose) is a 65. So, based on the brand you buy, there's a good chance what you're eating spikes your blood sugar faster than sugar. Expressed as glycemic index and glycemic load - how what you eat affects your metabolism, your insulin, and whether you are burning or storing fat - a bowl of oatmeal is virtually identical to a 12 oz can of Coke.
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LOL, you're killing me here :wink: If I told my doctor that he'd either rotflhao or slap me silly. I know that many years ago ealry man wouldn't have touched the stuff but we've evolved as omnivores and we need carbs to survive, in the long run avoiding carbs does more harm than good, it's what are body uses to make fuel. I'm 42, I weigh somewhere between 170-175, I have normal blood sugar levels and my cholesterol is in the 140's. I know that these new low-carb diets are easy to get sucked into but I really think, for your own good, you should talk to a real nutritionist.
The key is moderation. A well balanced diet and regular exercise will make you as right as rain. If you keep this up you're going to start having kidney and liver problems. Don't take my word for it though, talk to someone who specializes in nutrition, it could save your life :)
 
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Dryden;1927361; said:
And I'm the first to admit I'm not 100%. I'm not "all in." I still have lapses. Pepsi is good. Pizzas are yummy. I love to sit down and watch a baseball game and eat three hot dogs with buns and ketchup and finish it off with a 6-pack of beer and a whole 1-lb bag of Cool Ranch Doritos. I don't deny that. I just try to be conscious of it and not allow that to be me, every day anymore (which it used to be for a long, long time). That's more like a once every two-weeks event for me now.
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You admit to this yet preach about knowing the minutia of eating carbs?
 
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Jimmy Carter;1928837; said:
You admit to this yet preach about knowing the minutia of eating carbs?
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i generally eat well (read: healthy) when i give myself one cheat meal per week. i'll eat a whole large pizza and a bunch of cookies or a pint of ice cream. such a meal makes the rest of the week bearable and produces no guilt while splurging.
 
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DubCoffman62;1928810; said:
I know that many years ago ealry man wouldn't have touched the stuff but we've evolved as omnivores and we need carbs to survive, in the long run avoiding carbs does more harm than good, it's what are body uses to make fuel.
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We've evolved from Homo habilis & Homo erectus to Homo neanderthalensis & Homo sapien over 2.5 million years. Anatomically modern humans begin showing up about 200,000 years ago, yet we began radically changing our diets with the dawn of agriculture only 10,000 years ago. The last 100 years has been comparitively catastrophic. Evolution hasn't even had time to catch up to what we eat today.

DubCoffman62;1928810; said:
I'm 42, I weigh somewhere between 170-175, I have normal blood sugar levels and my cholesterol is in the 140's.
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And a cholesterol that low is a precursor for stroke, depression, and prostate cancer. The normal human cholesterol is believed to be in the range of 200-220, though at this point there aren't many indiginous peoples left to poke and prod and find out.

No study has ever found a link between a high total cholesterol and heart disease, which is of course the only reason any of us care about our cholesterol. Not one. That's why it's named 'The Lipid Hypothesis.' That hypothesis, which by definition means it has not yet been proven, still has not yet been proven! On the contrary, it's been fairly often directly refuted.

In any event, arguments about total cholesterol numbers cloud the bigger issue that total cholesterol really doesn't matter at all, because it's about the ratio of HDL:LDL, and even more specifically about the type of LDL a person has (pattern A or pattern B) that is now better understood to predict disease risk. Order a VAP test.

Pattern A is good. Pattern B is bad. High fat, low carb results in Pattern A. High carb, fat free results in Pattern B. These facts are not disputed.

As for blood sugar, evolution has provided us with three different ways to raise our blood sugar (cortisol, glucagon, and catecholamines) but only one way to lower it (insulin). We should be needing to raise our blood sugar throughout the day, not burning out our pancreas lowering it 16 hours a day so we don't drop dead. That's precisely how Metabolic Syndrome starts, and why one-quarter of Americans today have Type II diabetes.

DubCoffman62;1928810; said:
I know that these new low-carb diets are easy to get sucked into but I really think, for your own good, you should talk to a real nutritionist.
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Low carb diets aren't new. Again, low carb is what we have eaten for 2.5 million years. It is high carb diets that are new, primarily resulting from political mandates made by Senator George McGovern in 1977, and also thanks to science.

We have given berth to the modern high carb diet with the invention of the Haber?Bosch process, which lead to our current commercial fertizers. Prior to the Haber-Bosch process, when we relied on the Earth's own nitrogen cycle, we could not have ever grown so much cheap grain so fast to have the diet we do today. That and perhaps one-third to one-half of the Earth's present population wouldn't exist, because there would not have been enough food for the baby boomers.

DubCoffman62;1928810; said:
If you keep this up you're going to start having kidney and liver problems.
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Why is that?
 
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Jimmy Carter;1928837; said:
You admit to this yet preach about knowing the minutia of eating carbs?
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No. I admit that anything in moderation is probably OK, including the vices. I'd rather eat junk with friends than eat healthy alone.

My argument is more to the point that "conventional wisdom" and modern nutrition have led to a nation of people that wake up in the morning eating Special K, wheat toast, Egg Beaters(tm), a banana, and a glass of orange juice, and they are absolutely convinced that that is the healthiest breakfast they could possibly eat.

It's not true.
 
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Dryden;1928869; said:
My argument is more to the point that "conventional wisdom" and modern nutrition have led to a nation of people that wake up in the morning eating Special K, wheat toast, Egg Beaters(tm), a banana, and a glass of orange juice, and they are absolutely convinced that that is the healthiest breakfast they could possibly eat.

It's not true.
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And a cup of black coffee with no food is better?
 
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OSU_Buckguy;1928860; said:
i generally eat well (read: healthy) when i give myself one cheat meal per week. i'll eat a whole large pizza and a bunch of cookies or a pint of ice cream. such a meal makes the rest of the week bearable and produces no guilt while splurging.
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Usually about once a week I'll get a 12" pizza with pepperoni and sausage at Patsy's and a pint of gelato or ice cream. I'm really not much of a junk food eater. I don't eat french fries, cakes, cookies, chips, soda, fast food.... I do occasional enjoy red licorice. My other weakness is Indian & Thai food. Give me some lamb masala, vegetable korma, naan bread or any kind of curry and I'm in heaven.
 
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