OSU Men's Basketball Recruiting/Projections/General Discussions

[LitlBuck]

Wishful thinking?

I was just thinking, very dangerous, but I think Matta might know that Conley is going to stay around for 3 years. The reason that I say that is because if he were to leave after next season we would only have one true pg for the 08 season-Crater. I know it is possible that WO might be able to play a little pg but from what I have read and heard he is better at the 2 spot. I also think he might stay because there are a lot of freshman pg's this year that are very good and some might declare early next year.

 

[Golferdow01]

I was just thinking, very dangerous, but I think Matta might know that Conley is going to stay around for 3 years. The reason that I say that is because if he were to leave after next season we would only have one true pg for the 08 season-Crater. I know it is possible that WO might be able to play a little pg but from what I have read and heard he is better at the 2 spot. I also think he might stay because there are a lot of freshman pg's this year that are very good and some might declare early next year.

That's good analysis, but I don't think Matta "knows". I'm sure he's hoping to have Mike stick around as long as possible.

 

[LitlBuck]

That's good analysis, but I don't think Matta "knows". I'm sure he's hoping to have Mike stick around as long as possible.

Maybe he has a idea :) while he is ?hoping?

 

[HilmerJ]

with the exeption of john diebler

every single palyer matta has signed or got a verbal from in the last 3 years, was at one time a 5 star player on either network...

madsen and hunter were transfers...so they dont count...

and diebler leads the nation in scoring...so i think we can make an exeption for him too...

The 5's

Oden
Cook
Conley
Koufos
Crater
Mullins
Buford
Babbitt

The "One Time" 5's

Lighty
Offutt
Lauderdale
Wallace
Turner

not bad

 

[schwab]

with the exeption of john diebler

and diebler leads the nation in scoring...so i think we can make an exeption for him too...

Diebler will get his 5 when he's dropping 5+ trey-bombs on a given Big 10 opponent. If he is our worst recruit, um, we are going to be ABSOLUTELY SICK.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Everytime the topic comes up I never know the answer so I am going to find the answer for further refrence...

Next year we will have:

2007

PG: Conley(SO)
SG: Butler(SR), Diebler(FR), Turner(FR)
SF: Cook(SO), Lighty(SO), Wallace(FR)
PF: Hunter(SR), KK(FR), Madsen(SO)
C: Twig(SR), Lauderdale(FR)

We will for sure lose Butler, Hunter, and Twig to graduation. And Cook will be gone by this time if not after this year for sure after sophmore year. Same with Oden, but my guess is that he will be gone after this year.

Meaning we have 5 open schollies for the 08' class. We used 5 of them.

2008

PG: Conley(JR), Crater(FR), Offut(FR)
SG: Diebler(SO), Turner(SO)
SF: Lighty(JR), Wallace(SO), Buford(FR)
PF: KK(SO), Madsen(JR), Babbit(FR)
C: Lauderdale(SO), Mullens(FR)

After this season I am pretty sure that KK will be gone, Conley will probably not be on this roster, and there are chances that Lauderdale, Mullens, Buford, Turner, or really anyone on this roster besides Madsen could improve enough to leave early. I would think the most likely canidates would be the first 2, but you never know...

Meaning we will probably have 2 open schollies for the 09' class.

Targets now look like Van Tresse, Cousins, Jackson, Griffey, Nelson, Henry, and Edwards

2009

PG: Crater(SO), Offut(SO)
SG: Diebler(JR), Turner(JR)
SF: Lighty(SR), Wallace(JR), Buford(SO)
PF: Madsen(SR), Babbit(SO)
C: Lauderdale(JR), Mullens(SO)

We will have 2 spots open up for sure in 10 and depending on if we bring in 2 guys in the 09' class or less than that, and with the possibility of anyone leaving early on the roster, I am going to say that we will have 3 to give in 08, but without seeing any of these guys on a college court it will be hard to determine whether or not they will leave early.

Targets now look like Kellog, Sullinger, Thomas, Leslie

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Here is the breakdown....

2006-2007


10 scholarship players.


Ronald Lewis (Sr)
Ivan Harris (Sr)
Matt Terwilliger (Jr)
Jamar Butler (Jr)
Othello Hunter (Jr)
Kyle Madsen (So) (Unable to play, transfer from Vandy)
Greg Oden (Fr)
Mike Conley (Fr)
David Lighty (Fr)
Daequan Cook (Fr)

2007-2008


13 scholarship players.

Jamar Butler (Sr)
Matt Terwilliger (Sr)
Othello Hunter (Sr)
Kyle Madsen (So)
Greg Oden (So)
Daequan Cook (So)
Mike Conley (So)
David Lighty (So)
Jon Diebler (Fr) (Verbal)
Dallas Lauderdale (Fr) (Verbal)
Kosta Koufos (Fr) (Verbal)
Evan Turner (Fr) (Verbal)
Eric Wallace (Fr) (Verbal)


Possible Targets: No Available Scholarships


2008-2009


14 scholarship players. Projecting Oden declaring for the NBA draft.

Kyle Madsen (Jr)
David Lighty (Jr)
Mike Conley (Jr)
Daequan Cook (Jr)
Jon Diebler (So)
Kosta Koufos (So)
Dallas Lauderdale (So)
Evan Turner (So)
Eric Wallace (So)
Walter Offutt (Fr) (Verbal)
B.J. Mullens (Fr) (Verbal)
William Buford (Fr) (Verbal)
Anthony Crater (Fr) (Verbal)
Luke Babbitt (Fr) (Verbal)


Possible Targets: No Available Scholarships.


2009-2010

14 scholarship players.

Kyle Madsen (Sr)
David Lighty (Sr)
Mike Conley (Sr)
Daequan Cook (Sr)
Jon Diebler (Jr)
Kosta Koufos (Jr)
Dallas Lauderdale (Jr)
Evan Turner (Jr)
Eric Wallace (Jr)
Walter Offutt (So)
B.J. Mullens (So)
William Buford (So)
Anthony Crater (So)
Luke Babbitt (So)

 

[LitlBuck]

Everytime the topic comes up I never know the answer so I am going to find the answer for further refrence...

Next year we will have:

2007

PG: Conley(SO)
SG: Butler(SR), Diebler(FR), Turner(FR)
SF: Cook(SO), Lighty(SO), Wallace(FR)
PF: Hunter(SR), KK(FR), Madsen(SO)
C: Twig(SR), Lauderdale(FR)

We will for sure lose Butler, Hunter, and Twig to graduation. And Cook will be gone by this time if not after this year for sure after sophmore year. Same with Oden, but my guess is that he will be gone after this year.

Meaning we have 5 open schollies for the 08' class. We used 5 of them.

2008

PG: Conley(JR), Crater(FR), Offut(FR)
SG: Diebler(SO), Turner(SO)
SF: Lighty(JR), Wallace(SO), Buford(FR)
PF: KK(SO), Madsen(JR), Babbit(FR)
C: Lauderdale(SO), Mullens(FR)

After this season I am pretty sure that KK will be gone, Conley will probably not be on this roster, and there are chances that Lauderdale, Mullens, Buford, Turner, or really anyone on this roster besides Madsen could improve enough to leave early. I would think the most likely canidates would be the first 2, but you never know...

Meaning we will probably have 2 open schollies for the 09' class.

Targets now look like Van Tresse, Cousins, Jackson, Griffey, Nelson, Henry, and Edwards

2009

PG: Crater(SO), Offut(SO)
SG: Diebler(JR), Turner(JR)
SF: Lighty(SR), Wallace(JR), Buford(SO)
PF: Madsen(SR), Babbit(SO)
C: Lauderdale(JR), Mullens(SO)

We will have 2 spots open up for sure in 10 and depending on if we bring in 2 guys in the 09' class or less than that, and with the possibility of anyone leaving early on the roster, I am going to say that we will have 3 to give in 08, but without seeing any of these guys on a college court it will be hard to determine whether or not they will leave early.

Targets now look like Kellog, Sullinger, Thomas, Leslie

I know that we have gone back and forth on this but I think you have more guys leaving early than I do. I guess that's why I am saying we might not have any scholarships for 2009. Having said that, I think someone will declare early or transfer so I only see one scholarship available for that year.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

I know that we have gone back and forth on this but I think you have more guys leaving early than I do. I guess that's why I am saying we might not have any scholarships for 2009. Having said that, I think someone will declare early or transfer so I only see one scholarship available for that year.

I think it is crazy to think that Conley will be here for more than 2 years...

That would open up 1. I think KK would be the next option to leave after his freshmen year, but you never know...

Either way we should have 1 and maybe 2 or 3 depending on the development of some of these kids...

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

I think Conley is almost a lock to leave after two and I feel the same way about Cook......Koufos is a 1-2 year player at the most.

We will have some open spots in 09.....

 

[LitlBuck]

Upon further thought

Upon further review, I agree that Conley and Cook will be gone. It will be interesting to see how Conley progresses next year with his outside shooting. That is the only thing that I think he needs to work on for the NBA. Cook might be gone after this year and I know he is projected currently to go on the first round but I will be surprised if he does. I thought KK might be a one and done but after reading what his high school coach said regarding the college experience I think he might stay for more than one year. In addition, his parents both graduated from college and I think that will carry a lot of weight.

So, I guess we will have at least one scholarship for 2009.

I hate to see all these kids leaving early because you can never really build a dynasty with the top guys not staying for at least two years. I wish some of these guys would think David Robinson or Tim Duncan.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Upon further review, I agree that Conley and Cook will be gone. It will be interesting to see how Conley progresses next year with his outside shooting. That is the only thing that I think he needs to work on for the NBA. Cook might be gone after this year and I know he is projected currently to go on the first round but I will be surprised if he does. I thought KK might be a one and done but after reading what his high school coach said regarding the college experience I think he might stay for more than one year. In addition, his parents both graduated from college and I think that will carry a lot of weight.

So, I guess we will have at least one scholarship for 2009.

I hate to see all these kids leaving early because you can never really build a dynasty with the top guys not staying for at least two years. I wish some of these guys would think David Robinson or Tim Duncan.

That is why you have the mixture...

Guys like Lighty, Madsen, Diebler, Turner, Lauderdale, Wallace, are your 3-4 years guys and then you bring in the stud guys like Cook, Oden, KK, Buford, Mullens, who arent going to be effected that much from the high school to college change, they contribute right away and stay 1 and 2 if your lucky and then go on to the NBA. I think the new rule is going to help kids develop their game more b4 going to the NBA b/c they are going to realize that maybe they are not as ready as they thought they were. Cook is a primie example, he could of went out of high school, but it is obvious that he would of been a 10th or 11th guy on an NBA team...

I think a guy like Lighty who comes in with a ton of potential, and with all these guys around him, we arent going to realize his worth until he is scoring 15 pts/game his senior year and is a lock down defender.

 

[LitlBuck]

It's rather obvious that we disagree on some things. While there are some exceptions, see Oden, I have for a one and down but I would rather have guys who would at least stay 2 years. I know that these freshmen who are staying will be much better when they are seniors but I don't think the transition from high school to college is as simple as you are making it. Also, with regards to Cook, if he comes out this year he still will be the 10th or 11th player on most NBA rosters.

I guess I look at a guy like Shannon Brown who was an extremely good player in college and he really is only the 10th or 11th guy on the Cavs roster.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

It's rather obvious that we disagree on some things. While there are some exceptions, see Oden, I have for a one and down but I would rather have guys who would at least stay 2 years. I know that these freshmen who are staying will be much better when they are seniors but I don't think the transition from high school to college is as simple as you are making it. Also, with regards to Cook, if he comes out this year he still will be the 10th or 11th player on most NBA rosters.

I guess I look at a guy like Shannon Brown who was an extremely good player in college and he really is only the 10th or 11th guy on the Cavs roster.

Oden is the type of guy that even if you have a 3rd or 4th year guy they are not going to be better than him. He is the type of guy that automatically makes you a final four contendor with some decent players around him...Also the staff will plan ahead when bringing guys in like this as they have an idea of how long they will stay. The problem is when you get a class where you have 3 or 4 guys leave early and don't leave any experience behind. Much like UNC's team a couple years ago when they had 6 guys leave...I guess it just comes with the territory of being good...

I agree on Cook being as a 10th or 11th guys next year, especially if he gets picked up in the 20's where it will be for a team that is in playoff contention.

I wouldnt compare him to Brown as Brown was set back due to an injury and is starting to come around...

 

[Napoleonbuck]

I think Cook has the potential to be a Josh Howard type player, in that he can possess a complete offensive game(midrange, three point, finish in the lane, work the half court coming off screens and hitting open jumpers, finish the fast break, etc...) along with pretty good defense(just needs to work on effort and footwork from what I've seen of him this year).

I really think an extra year would benefit him the most out of him, Conley, and Oden because I think that will let him find his role. Early in the season he was asked to be the microwave off the bench. Now he's being asked to provide more than just explosive scoring, and he's struggling with that.

I think if he gets a year of starting(say in a line-up of Conley, Butler, Cook, Hunter, and Oden/Koufus), he can develop into a borderline superstar down the road.

He just needs to find that consistency, which is almost impossible for freshmen to do.