Oregon Ducks

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

The NBA has a draft?

 

[OSUK]

In all fairness here I think Ohio State wasn't going to get a post season ban just for the "tattoos for trinkets" violation. However, following the Committee on Infractions hearing on August 12, 2011 the enforcement staff and university investigated additional allegations that had come to light. These additional violations centered on a Cleveland booster providing nine football student-athletes with more than $2,400 in payments for work not performed, etc. Ohio State conceded it could have done more to monitor the booster by taking additional steps that would have reduced the likelihood of these violations occurring. Hence, Ohio State was then cited with the additional violation of "failure to monitor" the booster?s employment of football student-athletes. Which I believe resulted in the post season ban.

:osu:

Yeah. It was fubar. When you are one of those media targets like Ohio State is, you don't want to put yourself in the position where they descend on you and start giving you a colonoscopy - because they are going to find some shit even if they have to exaggerate it or make it up. Media careers are made on breaking the news on scandals. That idiot SI writer Dorman, or however you spell it, is exhibit A.

I have to deal with state inspectors and I understand the mentality. I suspect NCAA investigators probably have a similar mindset. They have to justify the job the have. Their job is to find violations, and so they find them. I have been given state inspection reports where I passed, but 1-3 "minor violations" were noted - which means they have to be corrected by the next inspection. I have taken the inspector directly to the supposed violations, showed them that they are not violations, and the inspectors leave the report as is because it has no negative impact on me, but shows that they were here and did something. It is one of the most ridiculous situations I have ever had to deal with. It's a trip into a parallel reality.

Point is you don't want to give the media any reason to start swarming around your campus/program and you want investigators to be somewhere else finding (or conjuring) violations. I see that as the job of the AD, the PR and legal staff, and certainly the coach. Is it fair? No, but that is the world we live in.

 

[Dee-Liem]

I think Oregon and Miami came out in the same summer or offseason a couple years ago.

Anyone else notice that the NCAA may have either gotten rid of their mole/source to Yahoo! Sports or told them to shut up? Yahoo! hasn't had any "Investigations" since 2011.

I think Oregon or Miami was their last.

 

[jlb1705]

I think Oregon and Miami came out in the same summer or offseason a couple years ago.

Anyone else notice that the NCAA may have either gotten rid of their mole/source to Yahoo! Sports or told them to shut up? Yahoo! hasn't had any "Investigations" since 2011.

I think Oregon or Miami was their last.

I'm not as familiar with the origins of how the Oregon case got out there, but the initial Miami reports by Charles Robinson did not have an NCAA source. Robinson investigated the hell out of that on his own - did over a hundred hours of interviews with Shapiro and a hell of a lot of other legwork and dropped the whole package on the NCAA's doorstep.

Given how long it took for him to put all of that together and the fact that the Miami case is still ongoing, I'm not surprised that we haven't heard anything "new" like this in the last couple years.

Besides, exactly how often do you expect a scandal of that magnitude to come out?

 

[Dryden]

The Oregon/Willie Lyles story broke 3/4/11 with a local KPTV report (no longer online):

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...s-chip-kelly-willie-lyles-15.html#post1882854

CBS, SI etc sent in their FOI requests and had docs back by April.

Yahoo did the real dirty work (Robinson and Wetzel, of course) by getting a multiday interview with Lyles, which was published 7/1/11.

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...s-chip-kelly-willie-lyles-20.html#post1947678

 

[RB07OSU]

I have a hard time getting upset about this.

fact: Ohio State showed up the NCAA twice in the process (once with players being allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl under the implication that there were no other shoes to be dropped, and then again with the no-show jobs being revealed later in the process.)

fact: if Ohio State keeps their noses clean like they should in the first place, there would be no reason to compare/contrast with other punishments.

fact: Ohio State's football program is as well off as it was just before its scandal broke. I don't think you would find many who would say the same for Oregon, regardless of the punishment (or lack thereof.)

Agreed on the first two points mostly but not on the last one. 3 scholarships per year really hurts in the recruiting world. The entire period before UFM came was disastrous for recruiting as well. And that national championship we couldn't play in? I'd say that hurts too. Sure we have bounced back miraculously with UFM and he is taking us to new heights, but there are tangible repercussions that hurt us then and are still hurting us now.

 

[Dryden]

bounced back miraculously with UFM and he is taking us to new heights

New heights? Damn. The only way UFM could take us to new heights relative to the previous ten years is play in at least four title games, win two, plus add a couple Rose Bowls for good measure.

I'd be happy with maintaining the status quo: Be in the title conversation in November more often than not, play in a prestigious bowl, and routinely kick Michigan's ass.

 

[Bucky32]

Oregon's new football facility is unreal:

PHOTOS: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/7/31/4574556/oregon-football-building-new

 

[NFBuck]

I have a feeling reality is gonna come crashing in on the Ducks this season. Chip Kelly was a genius play caller and inovative offensive mind. Just because Helf...hellfri...whatever his name is worked with him for a couple of seasons doesn't mean there won't be a noticeable dropoff. The talent-level is still very high, but I don't expect them to be the well oiled offensive machine they were under Kelly. Very good? Yes. But not 600 yards, 50 ppg good anymore.

 

[scarletmike]

Why? Just...why?

 

[BigWoof31]

I chuckled a bit at this one.
Eventually they're just going to go back to athletic only dorms. Oregon will lead that charge.

Ok - this is flat out beautiful.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Why? Just...why?

Seriously? Why does every school try to renovate their facilities? To impress recruits. College football is an arms race.

I agree with NFBuck. I am very skeptical about Helfrich's ability to maintain what Chip did. Would not be surprised if he slipped down into Bellotti territory. 8-10 wins a year with an occasional great or poor year.

 

[Buckeye86]

You'd have to imagine that being pampered like that would take a certain amount of "edge" off that can be useful on a football field.

Arrogance, elitism and lethargy (all of which settings that lavish would presumably inspire) tend to be detrimental to a team's on-field product no matter what the talent level is (see: Texas, Michigan).

 

[BigWoof31]

I agree with NFBuck. I am very skeptical about Helfrich's ability to maintain what Chip did. Would not be surprised if he slipped down into Bellotti territory. 8-10 wins a year with an occasional great or poor year.

I think you're missing out on what a tremendous impact these facilities will have on overall program excellence.
They even upgraded the meeting space for the defensive players!

 

[Bucky32]

I feel like this stuff has a place in the argument for paying players. I always thought players should at least get a stipend. But when you see this, it's like, athletes get a free education, tutoring, awesome gear, cafeteria, protein shakes, hot tubs, private rec areas, etc. I don't know what I think now.

IMO this is how all universities can indirectly "pay" players and still stay within the rules. If the rules don't allow you to give them cash, build them a nice castle and provide a shit ton of ancillary support/benefits.