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So for the legal minds on this board: Would it be possible [Read: Feasible] to form a case against the NCAA made up of, say, Gene Smith, USC's AD, and David Joyner regarding the unfair penalties levied against Oregon compared to comparable cases recently?
 
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Here's what I've learned: If you cheat and get caught, be honest about it, cooperate with NCAA investigators, get your slap on the wrist, and then you can pretty much go back to SOP.

Also: If your coach signs the form that says he has reported all known NCAA violations (twice), but he hasn't really reported them, you are screwed.

Also+: It might not be a good idea PR-wise to hold a presser where the coach speaks in coach-speak, the AD affirms the coach will be there no matter what, and the president of the university indicates he serves at the pleasure of the coach.

My point? Oregon's PR department is better than some others.
 
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OSUK;2349303; said:
Here's what I've learned: If you cheat and get caught, be honest about it, cooperate with NCAA investigators, get your slap on the wrist, and then you can pretty much go back to SOP.
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Also, if you think a violation has occurred, you can also pro-actively force your players to sit and miss games to lessen the suspensions handed down by the NCAA. But do not expect them to cut you any breaks after you do so.

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Buckeye Maniac;2348893; said:
So for the legal minds on this board: Would it be possible [Read: Feasible] to form a case against the NCAA made up of, say, Gene Smith, USC's AD, and David Joyner regarding the unfair penalties levied against Oregon compared to comparable cases recently?
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In all fairness here I think Ohio State wasn't going to get a post season ban just for the "tattoos for trinkets" violation. However, following the Committee on Infractions hearing on August 12, 2011 the enforcement staff and university investigated additional allegations that had come to light. These additional violations centered on a Cleveland booster providing nine football student-athletes with more than $2,400 in payments for work not performed, etc. Ohio State conceded it could have done more to monitor the booster by taking additional steps that would have reduced the likelihood of these violations occurring. Hence, Ohio State was then cited with the additional violation of "failure to monitor" the booster?s employment of football student-athletes. Which I believe resulted in the post season ban.

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ScriptOhio;2349379; said:
In all fairness here I think Ohio State wasn't going to get a post season ban just for the "tattoos for trinkets" violation. However, following the Committee on Infractions hearing on August 12, 2011 the enforcement staff and university investigated additional allegations that had come to light. These additional violations centered on a Cleveland booster providing nine football student-athletes with more than $2,400 in payments for work not performed, etc. Ohio State conceded it could have done more to monitor the booster by taking additional steps that would have reduced the likelihood of these violations occurring. Hence, Ohio State was then cited with the additional violation of "failure to monitor" the booster?s employment of football student-athletes. Which I believe resulted in the post season ban.

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I agree with you, but even with the Hall/Posey work stuff our violations were peanuts compared to Oregon's.
 
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OSUK;2349303; said:
Here's what I've learned: If you cheat and get caught, be honest about it, cooperate with NCAA investigators, get your slap on the wrist, and then you can pretty much go back to SOP.

Also: If your coach signs the form that says he has reported all known NCAA violations (twice), but he hasn't really reported them, you are screwed.

Also+: It might not be a good idea PR-wise to hold a presser where the coach speaks in coach-speak, the AD affirms the coach will be there no matter what, and the president of the university indicates he serves at the pleasure of the coach.

My point? Oregon's PR department is better than some others.
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What I have learned is: Hire an AD and a coach who, if they get caught, will actively try and cover up the cheating. That's what Oregon did and they got off with no penalties of any consequence. Oregon played the NCAA like a violin. Ohio State got killed for far less because they have an AD who doesn't know what he's doing. It's really that simple.
 
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ScriptOhio;2349430; said:
The NCAA said our violations amounted to $16,400 ($14,000 for tattoos, cash, and discounted car + $2,400 for players working for the Cleveland booster).
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...r+failure+to+monitor,+receives+postseason+ban

I think Oregon's violation was the $25,000 payment to the Willie Lyles the "street agent", etc.
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Don't forget that this payment was straight from the coaching staff. It wasn't like this was something the players did that the staff (or a member of the staff) found out about. The coaches were paying Lyles. And then Kelly gets an 18 month show cause penalty after he bolts and goes to the league?? Are you fucking kidding me? Didn't Goodell come out and support the NFL suspension of Pryor and Tressel even intimating that he would have suspended them if the teams hadn't? What the fuck, Goodell? Chip Kelly pays a street agent, leaves the university before the shit hits the fan and is now representing the "shield." Goodell is a fucking cocksucker as well, IMO. The ncaa didn't even try on this one. They even had the balls to say that they took into consideration that Oregon is a repeat offender.

The more I think about this the more pissed off I get.
 
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I have a hard time getting upset about this.

fact: Ohio State showed up the NCAA twice in the process (once with players being allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl under the implication that there were no other shoes to be dropped, and then again with the no-show jobs being revealed later in the process.)

fact: if Ohio State keeps their noses clean like they should in the first place, there would be no reason to compare/contrast with other punishments.

fact: Ohio State's football program is as well off as it was just before its scandal broke. I don't think you would find many who would say the same for Oregon, regardless of the punishment (or lack thereof.)
 
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jlb1705;2349436; said:
I have a hard time getting upset about this.

fact: Ohio State showed up the NCAA twice in the process (once with players being allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl under the implication that there were no other shoes to be dropped, and then again with the no-show jobs being revealed later in the process.)

fact: if Ohio State keeps their noses clean like they should in the first place, there would be no reason to compare/contrast with other punishments.

fact: Ohio State's football program is as well off as it was just before its scandal broke. I don't think you would find many who would say the same for Oregon, regardless of the punishment (or lack thereof.)
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Plus it has the cult all kinda worked up...
 
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Just catching up on this, but I can't help but think that this is as much of a commentary on Oregon's relevance than anything else.

You're a major program, you get a lot of media attention (see Southern Cal, Ohio State, and Penn State). And when things go badly, that excess media attention impacts the "significance" of the infractions in the minds of the NCAA.

You're a minor program, and those things don't happen (see Oregon, Mississippi State, Central Florida)*. So, as a fan, it might be nice to say "whew, we dodged a bullet!", but it could also be a reality check that you're not really as important as you thought you were. When your "sanctions" get overlooked for NBA Draft coverage... well...

{*If you're a really minor program (FCS, D2, D3), you get hammered. It's the law of the west...}
 
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