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One Year Later, How does tOSU Stand?

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The program itself has regressed. A 6-7 season, especially with the way the season went was a definitive regression. Add to that it became clear that without JT at the helm, the program was a rudderless ship, it can't be seen in any other way.

The recruiting class that UFM brought in and the continued progression of Brax will be the way ahead......now they just have to go out and do it. And the bar was set EXTREMELY high by the Great Jim Tressel.

Fuck the haters.
 
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I think we have regressed. We had something absolutely incredibly under JT. I do not believe that Urban Meyer will have JT's record against TSUN, although I think it might be close (which would be incredible). I do not think Meyer will dominate the B10 as consistently as JT did. The whole episode has definitely given us a PR hit that will take some time to recover from.

That being said -- I think we will have extraordinary success under Meyer. I think he'll give us at least one national championship and maybe even a second, depending on how long he stays for. We'll still be the top dog in the B10, but maybe not with the sheer consistency that we achieved under JT. And I'd also say we have a higher upper bound -- I don't think, under JT, it was a realistic possibility that he would win us 2 more national championships. One more, maybe, but not two. Under Meyer, I don't think it's likely, but I think it's a definite possibility, and that's pretty amazing in itself.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;2161899; said:
Progressed.

The program and the university are better off with Tressel gone. He's not a great man in my eyes. He cheated, lied about it, embarrassed the university and left the program slapped down with FTM sanctions.

As a replacement, we have a coach who still understands The Game and coaches great defense but will also put an offense onto the field that doesn't put me to sleep.
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For all the talk of the kool-aid drinking, Tressel worshipping, blind homers, I find it hilarious just how many times these two opinions intersected throughout the entire shit storm.
 
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It is going to take time both on the field and in the eyes of the media to recover from what occurred. There will most likely be fits and starts, which I think there is already evidence of, and it won't be smooth all of the time. Ask again in another year.
 
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xcrunner;2161977; said:
I think we have regressed. We had something absolutely incredibly under JT. I do not believe that Urban Meyer will have JT's record against TSUN
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The thing is, I don't think JT was going to have the same record against the tsun moving forward. The rivalry always swings back and forth with periods some periods of parity such as 69-87. I think we're in for the latter regardless of who is coaching, which is not a bad thing. It's what makes it a great rivalry.

JT benefited from the decline of Lloyd and the absolute clusterfuck that was Dick Rod. I don't think he was going to continue to run the table against Flintstone. Eventually, Michigan was going to right their ship and bring balance back to the rivalry.
 
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xcrunner;2161977; said:
I do not believe that Urban Meyer will have JT's record against TSUN, although I think it might be close (which would be incredible).
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If this turns out to be true, it's probably not the fault of Urb, but rather the ascendency of Michigan under Hoke.

Most OSU fans will immediately conceed that the Hokester is far, far superior than Rich Rodriguez as a coach and likely an improvement over Lloyd Carr in his later years.
 
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BigWoof31;2162248; said:
Most OSU fans will immediately conceed that the Hokester is far, far superior than Rich Rodriguez as a coach and likely an improvement over Lloyd Carr in his later years.
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Based on what exactly? 1 year? Seriously I mean they barely beat us during a terrible year. We have talent..heck I almost want to say it's like Lou Holtz saying they aren't very good at ND type of thing. I can't tell you if we actually lost anything or not based on last year. I actually think that although we slipped..scUM didn't really make up ground on us. In fact I think that the whole move to a pro-style offense plays into our hand more so than if they kept the spread. The spread has caused us more problems recently than any pro style type of offense. How on earth anyone can say where we stand without seeing us in action yet is beyond me. IMO we have entered an era that John Cooper could have had if he wasn't the coach of a team that had some terrible losses, and by that I mean Urban will be a LEGEND!
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2162255; said:
Based on what exactly? 1 year? Seriously I mean they barely beat us during a terrible year. We have talent..heck I almost want to say it's like Lou Holtz saying they aren't very good at ND type of thing. I can't tell you if we actually lost anything or not based on last year. I actually think that although we slipped..scUM didn't really make up ground on us. In fact I think that the whole move to a pro-style offense plays into our hand more so than if they kept the spread. The spread has caused us more problems recently than any pro style type of offense. How on earth anyone can say where we stand without seeing us in action yet is beyond me. IMO we have entered an era that John Cooper could have had if he wasn't the coach of a team that had some terrible losses, and by that I mean Urban will be a LEGEND!
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The rest of the Cooper stuff aside, Fred Flintstone was an immediate upgrade over DickRod for them. To ignore that fact can lead to serious overconfidence on our part.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2162255; said:
Based on what exactly? 1 year? Seriously I mean they barely beat us during a terrible year. We have talent..heck I almost want to say it's like Lou Holtz saying they aren't very good at ND type of thing. I can't tell you if we actually lost anything or not based on last year. I actually think that although we slipped..scUM didn't really make up ground on us. In fact I think that the whole move to a pro-style offense plays into our hand more so than if they kept the spread. The spread has caused us more problems recently than any pro style type of offense. How on earth anyone can say where we stand without seeing us in action yet is beyond me. IMO we have entered an era that John Cooper could have had if he wasn't the coach of a team that had some terrible losses, and by that I mean Urban will be a LEGEND!
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You have to factor in what Hoke inherited. Rich Rod left them an absolute pile of crap and Hoke turned it into a more then solid first season (yes they benefited from a weak bcs opponent etc, but their record was better then most would have guessed). Michigan will be putting better teams on the field then we have seen recently...however we will be too imo so it just depends on the degree of those improvements
 
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BuckeyeMike80;2162261; said:
The rest of the Cooper stuff aside, Fred Flintstone was an immediate upgrade over DickRod for them. To ignore that fact can lead to serious overconfidence on our part.
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Was he? Look I'm not underestimating scUM. Do I think cHoke had more to do with the scUM turn around than Greg Mattison? No. I don't. In fact you give RRod...Greg Mattison...and we might have been in serious trouble.The question of the thread however was are we less than we were. I honestly don't think scUM win or lose has anything to do with the discussion at hand. It's not like they made it to the championship game. We were a "lost" team at the end of the season last year..I think superior talent kept us in the game..and coaching will win it this season. I mean how does anyone not think we are superior to where we were at the end of the season? Go ahead and mark it down...we win by no less that 14 points in November so says I.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;2162235; said:
The thing is, I don't think JT was going to have the same record against the tsun moving forward. The rivalry always swings back and forth with periods some periods of parity such as 69-87. I think we're in for the latter regardless of who is coaching, which is not a bad thing. It's what makes it a great rivalry.
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You are so full of shit it's not even funny. I was going to ignore your earlier moronic comments about Tressel being a "cheater" and "not a great man", but this shit will not go unresponded. Tressel owned Lloyd Carr who was a better coach than fat fuck Hoke. Michigan won last year only, only because Jim Tressel was not our head coach. Tressel would've owned Hoke just like he did Carr and DickRod. And Meyer will indeed dominate Michigan...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2162286; said:
You are so full of shit it's not even funny. I was going to ignore your earlier moronic comments about Tressel being a "cheater" and "not a great man", but this shit will not go unresponded. Tressel owned Lloyd Carr who was a better coach than fat fuck Hoke. Michigan won last year only, only because Jim Tressel was not our head coach. Tressel would've owned Hoke just like he did Carr and DickRod. And Meyer will indeed dominate Michigan...
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Um.

Somehow, Goldilock's dilemma applies here. That is such an extreme view. :lol:
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2162286; said:
You are so full of [Mark May] it's not even funny. I was going to ignore your earlier moronic comments about Tressel being a "cheater" and "not a great man", but this [Mark May] will not go unresponded. Tressel owned Lloyd Carr who was a better coach than fat [censored] Hoke. Michigan won last year only, only because Jim Tressel was not our head coach. Tressel would've owned Hoke just like he did Carr and DickRod. And Meyer will indeed dominate Michigan...
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We'll see, but I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. I see the game moving into an era of parity similar to 69 through 87. I don't see a run like Michigan had in the 90s or Ohio State had the last decade happening for either program. Talk to me in five or six years, and we'll see who has won a free internet.
 
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HorseshoeFetish said:
Not sure what the hell Goldilock's dilemma is but if you doubt that....


"Tressel owned Lloyd Carr who was a better coach than fat fuck Hoke."

well I'd say it's just you having a "bad trip".
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Just sayin' there should be some middle ground in dissecting the rivalry moving forward. It doesn't have to be ORD's "momentum swinging UM's way" or Mili's "Meyer will dominate."

And yes, Tress owned LLLLLLoyd. Expecting 9-1 is outrageous to me. I'm on board, though. :)
 
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