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Is Kirk Barton a Fake Buckeye?

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    Votes: 48 85.7%

  • NO

    Votes: 8 14.3%
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Jaxbuck said:
Some can, some can’t. Some kill for drug money. Some do incredibly reckless shit under the influence like this. Some recover.

There is no stat that I am aware that tells us what “most” addicts are like. It’s an extremely individual experience.
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GPA 100%

I'm a jackass on here, and in life a lot of times, but I use my graduate degrees and experiences working with veterans everyday and this post encompasses almost every one of their lives, and mine for that matter.

For some people they can't see what they have, only what they don't have or lost, and that shit drives them to do the most wreckless shit you can imagine and it's not easy to understand outside of it.

Kirk is fucked for sure in more ways than one but someone is gone and there's no way to make up for it, ever.

And I'm done with this thread it's making me emotional. Pray for peace in all their lives and your own.
 
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BB73 said:
I don‘t accept that “all society is left with is retribution against a sick person”.

Jail time can certainly prevent him doing the same thing and killing or severely injuring somebody else during the next several years.

It is also possible that long sentences are a deterrent to some other potential drunk drivers, thus reducing the number of these tragedies.

I am far more sympathetic towards the family of the deceased young man than the addicted person that recklessly killed him. But I’m not trying to imply that anybody else isn’t also sympathetic to that family.
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I am certainly not "sympathetic" toward Barton. I don't know why you inferred that from my post.

When you wield the criminal law hammer, every societal problem begins to look like a nail. But if the problem ain't a nail, then it doesn't matter how hard you swing your hammer you're not going to solve the problem. But you stated that you view this problem emotionally (sympathy) so I guess that you're going to keep looking for bigger, better hammers and stronger arms to swing them. Good luck with that.
 
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colobuck79 said:
The longer the jail time, the longer he won’t be driving drunk and killing other people.
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This is certainly something the court should consider. There are a lot of factors that going into sentencing, and I’m no expert on what they are. But with certain crimes and/or repeat offenders, at some point it becomes less about punishment or deterrence, and more about protecting society from a dangerous person who won’t or can't stop behaving badly.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
I am certainly not "sympathetic" toward Barton. I don't know why you inferred that from my post.

When you wield the criminal law hammer, every societal problem begins to look like a nail. But if the problem ain't a nail, then it doesn't matter how hard you swing your hammer you're not going to solve the problem. But you stated that you view this problem emotionally (sympathy) so I guess that you're going to keep looking for bigger, better hammers and stronger arms to swing them. Good luck with that.
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It wasn't a nail until he killed a kid. Now it's a nail that has to be hammered flat.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
Stop it. He needs to go away for a while but it was obviously a mistake.
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No, and I'll explain why you (and millions upon millions of others) are wrong.

Mistakes are things we make, errors or lapses in judgements, that have unforseen consequences. You can also toss in minor ignorances and simple oversights.

This is a pattern of behavior that has lead to an eventuality. Self destruction that has sadly also destroyed the life of another with it.

No.... this is not a "mistake". You drank in wild excess, then got behind the wheel of a vehicle. Something he has done for years. Only this time, the numbers game finally reached its finality.


Mistakes are forgivable - this isn't.

When you stop absolving people of awful, often times repeated choices, you'll be shocked at the difference it makes in holding yourself and others accountable.

Kirk should be held to the fullest account the law allows. Sadly the law isn't always synonymous with justice.
 
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colobuck79 said:
Apparently this is his third DUI. And a young man is dead, will never realize his dreams, have a family, grow old. Fuck Barton.
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What MADD doesn't want you to know since they've fully transitioned from being an advocate against drunk driving and into being straight up neo-prohibitionists is that the overwhelming number of drunk drivers who kill someone are both repeat offenders and were driving at least twice over the .08 limit.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
I am certainly not "sympathetic" toward Barton. I don't know why you inferred that from my post.

When you wield the criminal law hammer, every societal problem begins to look like a nail. But if the problem ain't a nail, then it doesn't matter how hard you swing your hammer you're not going to solve the problem. But you stated that you view this problem emotionally (sympathy) so I guess that you're going to keep looking for bigger, better hammers and stronger arms to swing them. Good luck with that.
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I didn’t infer that you were sympathetic toward Barton, and didn’t mean to imply that. I said that I was more sympathetic toward the victim‘s family than toward Barton.

And it seems that you’re saying that since I have sympathy for the victim’s family, I’m”viewing this problem emotionally”. I’d say that having an emotional reaction to such a tragedy is a completely normal reaction, but that doesn’t mean I’m taking an emotional approach regarding what should happen to Barton.

If somebody was driving that fast and recklessly killed somebody, it would seemingly be a manslaughter or reckless homicide situation. I believe that somebody in that situation should have to serve several years in jail. I don’t believe that adding alcohol into the situation should necessarily increase or lessen the punishment.

And the only “bigger, better hammers” I’m looking for are in the hands of the NCAA.
 
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I’ve been thinking about this tragic story off and on all day. As I said previously, I have dined with KB probably 4 or 5 times and happened to be on a flight to Vegas with him once by coincidence. We had mutual business contacts and partners. I also noticed his drinking problem and thought it basically confirmed what internet folks said he was like. But I actually witnessed it. And when I started tuning into his YouTube cast nightly around CFB playoff time and for the Michigan scandal updates, I saw that he definitely had a problem airing 2 casts in a row sober.

Then I decided I was going to approach him at one of the next dinners I had with him in attendance and ask him if he thought he had a drinking problem. I was going to try to intervene even though we’re definitely not friends. I was more of an interested observer trying to prevent what just happened SAturday morning. Unfortunately, that next time never came.

I feel like shit because I did not intervene despite being only acquaintances. Of course I don’t know how he would have taken any intervention let alone one from a not-quite friend. People - it is our duty to our fellow citizens to try to intervene in some sort of way to prevent this. Don’t miss the opportunity to save a life.
 
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DaveyBoy said:
I’ve been thinking about this tragic story off and on all day. As I said previously, I have dined with KB probably 4 or 5 times and happened to be on a flight to Vegas with him once by coincidence. We had mutual business contacts and partners. I also noticed his drinking problem and thought it basically confirmed what internet folks said he was like. But I actually witnessed it. And when I started tuning into his YouTube cast nightly around CFB playoff time and for the Michigan scandal updates, I saw that he definitely had a problem airing 2 casts in a row sober.

Then I decided I was going to approach him at one of the next dinners I had with him in attendance and ask him if he thought he had a drinking problem. I was going to try to intervene even though we’re definitely not friends. I was more of an interested observer trying to prevent what just happened SAturday morning. Unfortunately, that next time never came.

I feel like shit because I did not intervene despite being only acquaintances. Of course I don’t know how he would have taken any intervention let alone one from a not-quite friend. People - it is our duty to our fellow citizens to try to intervene in some sort of way to prevent this. Don’t miss the opportunity to save a life.
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I hear what you're saying, but there is nothing you can say to an addict who doesn't want to change. The only thing you would have done was prevent the misguided sense of guilt you currently feel, because there was nothing you were going to change about his behavior.
 
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My sympathy ends at 100 mph ON THAT STREET, drunk, then killing a guy SITTING IN HIS FUCKING CAR.

You know what a "mistake" is? I was on 5th Ave in Grandview yesterday. I was 3 cars back at a stop light. A woman was trying to turn left and did so when the light turned yellow. A guy decided to beat the light and smashed head-on into to her, probably totaling both cars. They both got out and seemed ok. THAT was a mistake. What Barton did was a reprehensible act that deserves punishment.

And how do all us armchair psychiatrists KNOW he was an addict? I've known people who drink a lot and aren't addicts. Did he admit he was? Has he been in rehab? To be honest, I don't know and I don't care. Fucker needs to pay for his actions.
 
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