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Game Thread Ohio State vs TCU (Arlington, TX) - 09/15/18, 8:00PM (ABC)

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jwinslow said:
How would you compare the defense to that 2014 unit? I remember 2010, that D could flat out play. It seems like as the offense (and competition) took off, the defense really slid.

I think that 61 point performance by the 2014 defense was an anchor that buried them in their playoff hunt. Outside of that it was a good but not great defense (at least not compared to what Patterson did in 2010).


How would you describe Robinson's passing efficiency at this point?
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On the first question, that 2010 defense was salty and probably more technically sound that 2014. Lots of experience and we felt a drop-off in 2011 after losing key leadership. 2014 was way more athletic that 2010 in my mind and had ridiculous swagger. What they did to Ole Miss in the Peach Bowl was a thing of beauty (although some of the post-play antics started bordering on memories of the U, such as Pierson telling the RB to get off the field and various guys mocking the Ole Miss Land Shark signal):
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I think this team is more athletic than the 2014 bunch across the board. Time will tell if they know GP's system well enough for him to open his playbook (a la 2010) or if they have that extra chip a la 2014.

As far as Robinson, his accuracy has not been great in 2 of 3 games (possibly both of which can be blamed on weather (gusting West Texas winds against Tech last year and rain against SMU this year). That certainly is some cause for concern, but he also broke Andy Dalton's school record for most passes to start a career before throwing a pick. It will be interesting to see how well he knows the playbook and reads, and how much the staff trusts him when throwing.
 
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TCU’s press release for this game has come out and has proven “ourlads.com” (whatever that is) to be made up BS

LT McKinney 330 —> 314 in press release
LG Iwuagwa 318 —> 311 in press release
C Hollins 291 —> 292 in press release (gained a pound)
RG Gaynor 304 —> 295 in press release
RT Niang 340 —> 328 in press release

If you’re going to arrogantly call us ridiculous for not looking things up:

  1. Maybe look things up from legit sources
  2. Maybe pick a relevant topic

We welcome fans from other teams who add to the discussion.

Arrogance from an indefensible position on worthless ground won’t get you banned, but you’re falling well short of adding to the discussion

hiphopfroggy said:
OK but again both TCU's lines are bigger than ya'lls. Thanks for the correction I hadnt actually typed ya'll in years just thought I would spice it up for yous guys(?). Anyway, that guys #'s for weights are wrong or made up not sure which, but the point is the entire thread had beed about how much bigger your line is and then, whoops, someone, everyone forgot to actually check the measurements. Funny stuff, then to watch you guys try and backtrack is funny too. But yea glad ya'll realize it was an invitational, TCU was the best team that year, perhaps not this year we shall see, but certainly that year as our one common opponent spoke clearly on that.


From ourlads:

http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/tcu/91947/

http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/ohio-state/91533/

Oline


TCU

LT McKinney 330
LG Iwuagwa 318
C Hollins 291
RG Gaynor 304
RT Niang 340

1,583lbs


Ohio state

LT Mumford 325
LG Pridgeon 315
C Jordan 308
RG knox 308
RT prince 310

1,566lbs


Ohio state has a small oline, probably smaller than all the olines in the big12 other than Kansas. Hopefully Cumbie just runs right at ya'll, 8 yards and a cloud of dust, tried and true formula. BTW did you guys see that Kansas is favored against Rutgers? thats cra cra.
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Well I’m staying close to AT&T, so I’m hoping to find it in the Arlington area.
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Not sure about Arlington although Texas Live just opened there a few months ago. https://texas-live.com/ Might be worth checking out. Will probably be packed though.

If you want the full affect, try to make it over to Joe T's in the Fort Worth Stockyards. https://joetgarcias.com/ But bring cash, as they do not take credit cards.
 
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Casey ONeill said:
Not sure about Arlington although Texas Live just opened there a few months ago. https://texas-live.com/ Might be worth checking out. Will probably be packed though.

If you want the full affect, try to make it over to Joe T's in the Fort Worth Stockyards. https://joetgarcias.com/ But bring cash, as they do not take credit cards.
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Yeah Texas Live seems like more of a polished party zone than brisket heaven....more of a place for my son and I to check out @Jaxbuck ass. So I’ll be there, but prolly not so much for quality meats and beer.

I’ll look Into Joe T.s though.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
TCU’s press release for this game has come out and has proven “ourlads.com” (whatever that is) to be made up BS

LT McKinney 330 —> 314 in press release
LG Iwuagwa 318 —> 311 in press release
C Hollins 291 —> 292 in press release (gained a pound)
RG Gaynor 304 —> 295 in press release
RT Niang 340 —> 328 in press release

If you’re going to arrogantly call us ridiculous for not looking things up:

  1. Maybe look things up from legit sources
  2. Maybe pick a relevant topic

We welcome fans from other teams who add to the discussion.

Arrogance from an indefensible position on worthless ground won’t get you banned, but you’re falling well short of adding to the discussion
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You are joking right?


The discussion before I got here was a repeat of "Ohio big, TCU small, run down middle".

If that passes for discussion I dont know what to say but ive proved it false and I saved this thread and started real conversation; not just repetition of myopic unlinked uninformed opinions, or want to be 6th grade english teachers.




The point I made, which is a fact, was the weight of the lines of both teams are about the same, any difference is negligible, which is a far cry from what this board thought before I arrived.

You are welcome.
 
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Casey ONeill said:
I would say the thing that TCU does well is use Patterson's schematic knowledge to contain the run. It is well documented that Patterson's teams (despite often being undersized) are usually some of the top teams against the run each year. The reason being is that he runs his 4-2-5 defense differently that just about everyone else. An interesting read on this is found here from 2015: http://grantland.com/features/hard-knocks-playing-defense-with-tcus-gary-patterson/
So what does that mean? Your coaches and players will be aware of it and will expect the running game to be tough sledding. But most fans just assume that they will be able to run the ball down TCU's throat all game and then are often frustrated when that does not happen. I also take comfort in the fact that the quality of athlete (on both sides of the ball) is much higher than in even 2014 and 2010 (arguably TCU's two best teams ever).

That said, as has been pointed out here, a lot of them are unproven. Turpin is a well known commodity, but true Sophmore Jalen Reagor may end up as one of the best WRs in the country when all is said and done (although he has not been much of a factor the first two weeks). Shawn Robinson is TCU's highest rated QB recruit, IIRC. He had offers from Bama, USC, OU, *ichigan, etc. As for the OL, hope springs eternal. TCU hired Chris Thomsen as OL coach last year and we noticed a marked improvement in the quality of OL play. The hope is that the next crop will have now been tutored by him for 2 years and will eventually be even better than the last crop. We'll see if they can hold up against OSU's DL.
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"Don't go until you know" is a philosophy I worked on with my team. I do like the compartmentalizing of the defense in terms of the front 7 getting their call and then the secondary having theirs. Not including individual and/or group adjustments on one side of the field. I.E. Cover 2 to one side and a different coverage to another. It's a more 'exotic' look for a young QB. That said, the undersized part with the nickel is attacking run early and forcing college QB's into passing situations. Baylor seems to have the most success offensively vs TCU because they attack vertically off ball action and double moves early and often. I honestly believe that will be the MO of the Bucks to start out. Patterson knows good and well about Dobbins and Weber and I'm positive his gameplan will be based around forcing a young QB (Haskins is still young) to shoulder the burden early.

IF the Bucks connect on some shots early and force those safeties first step to not be downhill or at worst, to stay flat footed, then you can pick who is going to have the 100+ yard game - Webbs or Dobbins because that is exactly what will happen.

To me the biggest matchups aren't corresponding Oline vs Oline comparisons. I think it boils down to...

1) Edge pressure from Bosa, Chase, Lewis and co.
2) Going at the Frogs secondary.

If tOSU gets a some early stops or maybe drive killing sacks then the thought of "best dline in the country" is going to sink in for TCU. Might even involve seeing ghosts or non-existent pressure into rushed plays.
If the Buck receivers get some chunk plays early then that front 7 isn't going to get getting the rally help they'll need to stop the interior run from our backs.
 
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hiphopfroggy said:
You are joking right?


The discussion before I got here was a repeat of "Ohio big, TCU small, run down middle".

If that passes for discussion I dont know what to say but ive proved it false and I saved this thread and started real conversation; not just repetition of myopic unlinked uninformed opinions, or want to be 6th grade english teachers.




The point I made, which is a fact, was the weight of the lines of both teams are about the same, any difference is negligible, which is a far cry from what this board thought before I arrived.

You are welcome.
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Try to wrap you’re pea-brain around this:

You have been proven wrong. You proved nothing. You’re pathetic at this point.

As for the whole discussion being about size, that’s a lie. That’s right. I called you a liar. If you don’t like being called a liar, don’t lie, liar.

I cited the size difference (which IS in our favor, liar), but only as a segue from a previous post. My main point was that Haskins is VASTLY superior to Robinson.

Now shove your arrogance up your ass and shut the fuck up. The adults are trying to have a conversation
 
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hiphopfroggy said:
You are joking right?


The discussion before I got here was a repeat of "Ohio big, TCU small, run down middle".

If that passes for discussion I dont know what to say but ive proved it false and I saved this thread and started real conversation; not just repetition of myopic unlinked uninformed opinions, or want to be 6th grade english teachers.




The point I made, which is a fact, was the weight of the lines of both teams are about the same, any difference is negligible, which is a far cry from what this board thought before I arrived.

You are welcome.
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How does the size of TCU's offensive line prevent Ohio State from running down the middle?
 
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Buckeneye said:
"Don't go until you know" is a philosophy I worked on with my team. I do like the compartmentalizing of the defense in terms of the front 7 getting their call and then the secondary having theirs. Not including individual and/or group adjustments on one side of the field. I.E. Cover 2 to one side and a different coverage to another. It's a more 'exotic' look for a young QB. That said, the undersized part with the nickel is attacking run early and forcing college QB's into passing situations. Baylor seems to have the most success offensively vs TCU because they attack vertically off ball action and double moves early and often. I honestly believe that will be the MO of the Bucks to start out. Patterson knows good and well about Dobbins and Weber and I'm positive his gameplan will be based around forcing a young QB (Haskins is still young) to shoulder the burden early.

IF the Bucks connect on some shots early and force those safeties first step to not be downhill or at worst, to stay flat footed, then you can pick who is going to have the 100+ yard game - Webbs or Dobbins because that is exactly what will happen.

To me the biggest matchups aren't corresponding Oline vs Oline comparisons. I think it boils down to...

1) Edge pressure from Bosa, Chase, Lewis and co.
2) Going at the Frogs secondary.

If tOSU gets a some early stops or maybe drive killing sacks then the thought of "best dline in the country" is going to sink in for TCU. Might even involve seeing ghosts or non-existent pressure into rushed plays.
If the Buck receivers get some chunk plays early then that front 7 isn't going to get getting the rally help they'll need to stop the interior run from our backs.
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Good stuff.


TCU hasnt allowed a sack this year, and as the other frog pointed out Robinson still hasnt thrown a pick in 3 stars and just set the record for most pass attempts to start a TCU career w/out an interception. TCU of course being the school that invented the forward pass and has the award for best qb named after Davey O'Brien; basically, QBU so thats a positive for us.
 
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