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Game Thread Ohio State vs TCU (Arlington, TX) - 09/15/18, 8:00PM (ABC)

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TS10HTW said:
Wrong. You could look up stats too.

First B12 team alphabetically is Baylor
1,525 lbs

How that has anything to do with this game is beyond me.

BTW how the hell are you calling an o line that averages 313 lbs small?

The TCU o line is 316lbs on average...


3 pounds lighter is small? JFC you’re really reaching troll.
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Im just taking a cue from those that posted before me, this is the thread where you post what you hope is true right?

Lighten up, the first 50 posts of this thread were about how small TCU's lines are, and it turns out, not only are they not small they are bigger than you.

I'm just trying to reach ya'll's level of ridiculousness, Kansas being favored over Rutgers is real though.
 
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hiphopfroggy said:
Im just taking a cue from those that posted before me, this is the thread where you post what you hope is true right?

Lighten up, the first 50 posts of this thread were about how small TCU's lines are, and it turns out, not only are they not small they are bigger than you.

I'm just trying to reach ya'll's level of ridiculousness, Kansas being favored over Rutgers is real though.
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No, a handful of posts in this thread were about how relatively small TCU's D-line and linebackers are. Your argument that TCU's O-line is marginally heavier than OSU's O-line is obviously not relevant to that.
 
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I get the concern about TCU’s fast, athletic, and well coached defense causing problems for Ohio State’s offensive line (especially left tackle and guard) and young quarterback in the passing game... counter point; it seems possible to likely that Ohio State can have success just manning up and running them over, yeah?
 
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zincfinger said:
No, a handful of posts in this thread were about how relatively small TCU's D-line and linebackers are. Your argument that TCU's O-line is marginally heavier than OSU's O-line is obviously not relevant to that.
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Our Dline is bigger too. Just that the horrific injury we sustained has us rotating in backups who are smaller, some more so than others. The depth chart is wonky there because of that and disciplinary suspensions for the first game or two. Still two of our 3 backups at the position have our dline heavier depending on who is getting more snaps. No way to know until it plays out. We have a Dend who turned down 1st round draft last year too. Our linebackers are smaller by design, although you did win a recruiting battle over us for your middle linebacker.
 
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jwinslow said:
We do welcome outsiders that can talk football. We used to get tons of them, and had great pregame chatter, especially 10 years ago when OkSU and Tx were on the schedule. Since then they've played SEC teams, Miami, Washington, VT resulting in very few credible outsiders either due to volume or immaturity.

We're also elitist jerks sometimes. If you can have tough skin, and let the barbs roll off you , this can be a good place to discuss football.
What are things that concern you heading into this game?
What are things you feel that TCU does well that will give OSU problems?
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I would say the thing that TCU does well is use Patterson's schematic knowledge to contain the run. It is well documented that Patterson's teams (despite often being undersized) are usually some of the top teams against the run each year. The reason being is that he runs his 4-2-5 defense differently that just about everyone else. An interesting read on this is found here from 2015: http://grantland.com/features/hard-knocks-playing-defense-with-tcus-gary-patterson/
So what does that mean? Your coaches and players will be aware of it and will expect the running game to be tough sledding. But most fans just assume that they will be able to run the ball down TCU's throat all game and then are often frustrated when that does not happen. I also take comfort in the fact that the quality of athlete (on both sides of the ball) is much higher than in even 2014 and 2010 (arguably TCU's two best teams ever).

That said, as has been pointed out here, a lot of them are unproven. Turpin is a well known commodity, but true Sophmore Jalen Reagor may end up as one of the best WRs in the country when all is said and done (although he has not been much of a factor the first two weeks). Shawn Robinson is TCU's highest rated QB recruit, IIRC. He had offers from Bama, USC, OU, *ichigan, etc. As for the OL, hope springs eternal. TCU hired Chris Thomsen as OL coach last year and we noticed a marked improvement in the quality of OL play. The hope is that the next crop will have now been tutored by him for 2 years and will eventually be even better than the last crop. We'll see if they can hold up against OSU's DL.
 
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hiphopfroggy said:
Our Dline is bigger too. Just that the horrific injury we sustained has us rotating in backups who are smaller, some more so than others.
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Yuu have two ends that are the size of linebackers. Your second level is about 210 lbs. You're about 20-40 lbs lighter (at each spot) than a typical B1G defense at DE, DE, LB, LB, LB turned Hybrid, meaning you're 100-150 lbs lighter combined.

On paper, that suggests that you'll present some speed rush challenges on passing downs, and be less efficient against a really strong rushing attack. But games aren't played on paper.

It's hard to judge teams against weak opening season competition, particularly with the monsoons that have been taking place. SMU's back got loose a bit but they also got blown out. They also couldn't run the ball on North freaking Texas (half the YPC), so most likely it's like OSU's first two games: the opponent is just terrible.
The depth chart is wonky there because of that and disciplinary suspensions for the first game or two. Still two of our 3 backups at the position have our dline heavier depending on who is getting more snaps. No way to know until it plays out. We have a Dend who turned down 1st round draft last year too. Our linebackers are smaller by design, although you did win a recruiting battle over us for your middle linebacker.
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Who might be the heaviest guy at LB (it's close with Harrison) but is the least efficient player in that unit because he's young.
 
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Nigel Tufnel said:
More important than this ever-so-foreseeable pissing match is the brisket question. Where, close to AT&T, does one go for top notch brisket and then craft beer taproom?
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There is no good brisket in Texas, better off staying in Ohio.



But while ive got you on the line discussing NFL stadiums, do you think the Bengals will make the playoffs this year? Do you think Andy Dalton will make his 4th pro bowl this year. Do you think Andy Dalton will be the best and biggest football star the state of Ohio has ever seen when his career is all said and done?

That guy is pure class, Who Dey!
 
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Casey ONeill said:
I would say the thing that TCU does well is use Patterson's schematic knowledge to contain the run. It is well documented that Patterson's teams (despite often being undersized) are usually some of the top teams against the run each year. The reason being is that he runs his 4-2-5 defense differently that just about everyone else. An interesting read on this is found here from 2015: http://grantland.com/features/hard-knocks-playing-defense-with-tcus-gary-patterson/
So what does that mean? Your coaches and players will be aware of it and will expect the running game to be tough sledding. But most fans just assume that they will be able to run the ball down TCU's throat all game and then are often frustrated when that does not happen. I also take comfort in the fact that the quality of athlete (on both sides of the ball) is much higher than in even 2014 and 2010 (arguably TCU's two best teams ever).

That said, as has been pointed out here, a lot of them are unproven. Turpin is a well known commodity, but true Sophmore Jalen Reagor may end up as one of the best WRs in the country when all is said and done (although he has not been much of a factor the first two weeks). Shawn Robinson is TCU's highest rated QB recruit, IIRC. He had offers from Bama, USC, OU, *ichigan, etc. As for the OL, hope springs eternal. TCU hired Chris Thomsen as OL coach last year and we noticed a marked improvement in the quality of OL play. The hope is that the next crop will have now been tutored by him for 2 years and will eventually be even better than the last crop. We'll see if they can hold up against OSU's DL.
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How would you compare the defense to that 2014 unit? I remember 2010, that D could flat out play. It seems like as the offense (and competition) took off, the defense really slid.

I think that 61 point performance by the 2014 defense was an anchor that buried them in their playoff hunt. Outside of that it was a good but not great defense (at least not compared to what Patterson did in 2010).


How would you describe Robinson's passing efficiency at this point?
 
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hiphopfroggy said:
There is no good brisket in Texas, better off staying in Ohio.



But while ive got you on the line discussing NFL stadiums, do you think the Bengals will make the playoffs this year? Do you think Andy Dalton will make his 4th pro bowl this year. Do you think Andy Dalton will be the best and biggest football star the state of Ohio has ever seen when his career is all said and done?

That guy is pure class, Who Dey!
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No good brisket in Texas? I hate you now and do not care if you get a McNeiling. May God have mercy on your carcass because you obviously have no soul.

I’ll have to talk to others about the appropriate answers to my brisket and beer question. Because your lack of knowledge of this fundamental question is truly disturbing.
 
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