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Ohio State or Oregon for the BCS Bowl?

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So we come back to the disparity among conferences, one loss, two loss automatic bids and the ability of Notre Dame to cut their own deals.

Va Tech still has to play UNC and then, assuming they win this week, play Florida State again. They could loose the first and then who gets into the ACC championship game? Miami vs the semiholes again?

Either way, the Orange Bowl could be stuck with a real turkey, especially if Fla State looses to Florida and then turns around and beats VaT in the ACC championship game.

Now, if you're Charley Weiss, do you take the Fiesta and have to play OSU or Oregon or Penn State or do you beg for the Orange Bowl bid?

I just don't believe that Notre Dame can't say no to one bowl and yes to another. They're Notre Dame. They get what they want and that's why I cheer for EVERY team that plays them.
 
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methomps said:
Pretty bold to discount an Oregon win just because it was against a 4-loss team that failed to live up to expectations. Does tOSU have a win over a team with less than 4 losses? I guess we should also throw out tOSU's wins over Michigan and Iowa since those are 4-loss teams who failed to live up to expectations.

That leaves tOSU's best wins as 4-loss Minny and 4-loss Northwestern.
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Perhaps you could comment on the comparison between Ohio State and USC, methomps? Here, this will help you.

09/03/05 at Hawaii ( 4-6 ) 63-17
09/17/05 Arkansas ( 4-6 ) 70-17
09/24/05 at Oregon ( 10-1 ) 45-13
10/01/05 at Arizona St ( 5-5 ) 38-28
10/08/05 Arizona ( 3-7 ) 42-21
10/15/05 at Notre Dame ( 8-2 ) 34-31
10/22/05 at Washington ( 2-9 ) 51-24
10/29/05 Washington St ( 4-7 ) 55-13
11/05/05 Stanford ( 5-5 ) 51-21
11/12/05 at California ( 7-4 ) 35-10
11/19/05 Fresno St ( 8-2 ) 50-42
12/03/05 UCLA ( 9-1 )
Total record 69-55 55.6%
Teams with records .500 or less 7 58.3%

Quick Sagarin opponents' power ratings and SOS ratings
09/03/05 at Hawaii 103 84
09/17/05 Arkansas 69 54
09/24/05 at Oregon 7 30
10/01/05 at Arizona St 26 12
10/08/05 Arizona 70 25
10/15/05 at Notre Dame 8 22
10/22/05 at Washington 81 16
10/29/05 Washington St 53 37
11/05/05 Stanford 42 14
11/12/05 at California 36 57
11/19/05 Fresno St 22 95
12/03/05 UCLA 19 53

Opponents in Top 10 Sagarin power ratings 2 (18.2%)
Opponents in Top 25 Sagarin power ratings 4 (36.4%)
Opponents SOS Top 10 Sagarin power ratings 0 ( 0.0%)
Opponents SOS Top 25 Sagarin power ratings 5 (41.6%)
 
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Let's see I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one person say that: the Big XII sucks, the Pac 10 sucks, the ACC sucks, the SEC sucks, the MAC sucks, the WAC sucks, the Big East sucks, and Notre Dame sucks. What other conferences are there? I'm sure someone said how they suck.

I think seeing as how the Big Ten is the best conference this year, Ohio State should play Penn State for the National Championship. Or Ohio State and Penn State should just be crowned co-National Champions. In fact lets do away with all other conferences every year, because the Big Ten is always the best. Actually lets just all come to the happy conclusion that we beat Michigan, and that is all that matters. :wink2:
 
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methomps said:
Pretty bold to discount an Oregon win just because it was against a 4-loss team that failed to live up to expectations. Does tOSU have a win over a team with less than 4 losses? I guess we should also throw out tOSU's wins over Michigan and Iowa since those are 4-loss teams who failed to live up to expectations.

That leaves tOSU's best wins as 4-loss Minny and 4-loss Northwestern.
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Perhaps not so bold as attributing too much value to wins against some pretty weak teams and trying to assess Ohio State on the performance of a quarterback just coming off a two-game suspension.

Do you think that Texas, Penn State, or your beloved USC wants a piece of Ohio State right now?
 
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Steve19 said:
Do you think that Texas, Penn State, or your beloved USC wants a piece of Ohio State right now?
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Troy had played 2.5 games before he lost to PSU with a bad performance so you can't call it rust. I'm sure PSU would welcome us back to Happy Valley for a rematch. I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't come near the Shoe for a rematch.
 
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Steve19 said:
Perhaps not so bold as attributing too much value to wins against some pretty weak teams and trying to assess Ohio State on the performance of a quarterback just coming off a two-game suspension.

Do you think that Texas, Penn State, or your beloved USC wants a piece of Ohio State right now?
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I'm not sure what specifically you're talking about in your first sentence. I don't think any of those teams particularly wants to play tOSU next weekend, but I don't think any of them are afraid of tOSU. tOSU could certainly hang with any of them. That's not in doubt.
 
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exhawg said:
Troy had played 2.5 games before he lost to PSU with a bad performance so you can't call it rust. I'm sure PSU would welcome us back to Happy Valley for a rematch. I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't come near the Shoe for a rematch.
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I wonder if they really do and I can't work my mind around how much of a problem it was for the team to adjust to the different playing styles of Smith and Zwick early on, which would not have resulted if Smith had not been suspended.

Without the suspension, I think Ohio State would be #1 in the country right now. But your opinion is every bit as good as mine!
 
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Ginn4Heisman20 said:
I think the problem with your argument is obvious, the PAC-10 does not equal the Big-10. The whole thing is based off of a faulty assumption. If you want to go any further with this then you have to defend that assumption. Let's remember, not all conferences were created equal.
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Without going into the individual merits of Pac-10 or Big-10 conference play, you can also look at it this way: assuming the conferences are even: Oregon finished conference play 7-1 (loss to the Pac-10 champ); Ohio State also finished conference play 7-1 (loss to the Big-10 champ).

All that remains are the OOC schedules:

Oregon played Houston (5-5, CUSA), Montana (8-3, Big Sky [1AA]), and Fresno St. (8-2, WAC)
Ohio State played Miami OH (7-4, MAC), Texas (10-0, Big-XII), and SDSU (5-6, MWC)

The only way to distinguish the two is to look at the SOS resulting from the opponents. In this comparison, Ohio State has the edge over Oregon. This is why SOS matters, because the Oregons and Auburns should not be rewarded for playing 1AA teams like Montana or Citadel while other teams risk a loss by stepping out of conference to play a traditional power.
 
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