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Ohio State or Oregon for the BCS Bowl?

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ScarletBlood31 said:
Ohio State. you can call me biased if you want :biggrin:
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Hahahaha, yeah. Well Oregon has had some soft competition. Their one big test was against USC, and they got blown out. They barely beat Fresno State (although Fresno may be pretty good) at home. The Pac-10 is very soft. If Oregon makes any BCS bowl, they will get crushed, unless they play the Big East conference winner.
 
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You want to know the REAL crime here?

Oregon DOES deserve a BCS bowl.. and so does Miami Fl... AND tOSU of course.

ND is ranked 12th by the computers who aren't irish ass sucking media members.
West Virginia is actually ranked 9th,(still not quite good enough to deserve a bid) but I garauntee more people will complain about them getting a bid than ND because everyone buys into the media garbage about the Irish. Watch the computers, they dont lie, and they arent biased.

Wanna see another interesting tidbit from our friends in the media?
PSU 3 in the bcs, 3 in the computers. 4th in both biased polls.
tOSU 6 in the bcs, 5 in the computers. 7th in both biased polls.
Wisconsin 17 in bcs, 13 in the computers. 22/23 in the biased polls.
scUM 22 in the bcs, 17 in the computers. 23/24 in the biased polls.
Northwestern 25 in bcs, 20 in the computers. 32/35 in the biased polls.

Notice the trend yet? EVERY SINGLE BIG10 TEAM IS UNDERRATED BY THE STUPID POLLS.
Want to see some more attrocities?
LSU 4 in the bcs, 8 in the computers. 3rd in both biased polls.
Bama 14 in the bcs, 19 in the computers. 14 in both biased polls.
Georgia 15 in the bcs, 23 in the computers. 12/13 in the biased polls.
Florida NR in the bcs, ?? in the computers. 19th in both biased polls.

Only poor Auburn isnt getting the love from the polls. stupid SEC.

Then outside of FSU and ND there dont seem to be any glaring descepancies.
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the difference in the BCS rankings between Ohio State at #6 and Oregon at #7: .050

the difference between Ohio State at #6 and LSU at #4: .053

Ohio State is ahead of the Ducks by a pretty large margin... there is a possiblity that LSU could lose this weekend, and still be ahead of Oregon...

several others have posted this, but it merits a repeat: Oregon's beef is with Notre Dame, not Ohio State... Oregon is 10-1 against the #29 rated schedule... ND is 9-2 against the #56 rated schedule...

if ANY team does not deserve it, it's the Domers...

BUT, on the bright side, just like a few years ago, when an undeserving Irish team got a BCS bid, the Irish will mostly likely get beaten, and badly, by whomever they face in the Fiesta... i believe it was 41-9 Oregon State the last time...
 
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methomps said:
I'm not sure what specifically you're talking about in your first sentence. I don't think any of those teams particularly wants to play tOSU next weekend, but I don't think any of them are afraid of tOSU. tOSU could certainly hang with any of them. That's not in doubt.
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Sorry, that was confusing, I wasn't attributing that to your posts methomps, but rather to the Domer and Duck fans who keep casting aspersions the way of Ohio State. You never said that USC played a tougher schedule and I hope you don't think I meant that you did.

My point is that all of the others trying to push Ohio State out of the BCS are making 1-loss or 2-loss arguments that are pretty flimsy. At the saem time, I think given the chance, the top 3 teams would rather play those other teams than Ohio State.
 
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OilerBuck said:
...While your research was excellent, I couldn't help but notice your sampling was based on the Sagarin ratings. This system, not so cooincidentally also has the highest ratings for the Big Ten as a conference.
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Thanks Oiler. Here's why I chose to use these stats.

If you look at mratings.com, you'll see that there is wide consensus across the 90+ ratings. Ohio State's average ranking is #4 and Oregon is #8. All of the polls that I have looked at have the Big Ten ranked 1st among conferences. I picked the Sagarin's and Greenfields because they both beat the average polls over time, year after year, and are well known. But, at this time of year, except for the very unprofessional types, most of the rankings will come to about the same conclusions.
 
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I know it won't happen but I would love for the Fiesta to pick Ohio State and Penn State. It would be awesome to get a shot at them again and they could bill it as the true Big Ten Championship. Also I would love to get another shot at ND.

Sucks that ND has to take Oregon's spot but they got no room to complain about anything when scheduling a 1AA team. Don't you have to petition to have 1 AA games count towards the BCS?:osu:
 
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Kaptain62;340737[FONT=Comic Sans MS said:
. Don't you have to petition to have 1 AA games count towards the BCS?:osu: [/font]
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They just changed the rules on that. I-A teams can now count one I-AA win each year toward bowl eligibility. It used to be once every fourth year.
 
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I think this makes it obvious who ABC will want...

http://www.nbcumv.com/sports/release_detail.nbc/sports-20051122000000-notredameonnbcac.html

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]NOTRE DAME ON NBC ACHIEVES BEST SEASON AVERAGE RATING IN MORE THAN A DECADE
Published: November 22, 2005

3.6 Season Average Up 44 Percent Over 2004

NEW YORK -- November 22, 2005 -- Notre Dame football on NBC earned a 3.6 season average rating and a 9 share, the highest season average rating in more than a decade (4.8 in 1995) and a 44 percent increase over last year (2.5/6).

Notre Dame is 8-2 in Charlie Weis' inaugural season as head coach (with one game remaining at Stanford), and currently ranked No. 6 by the Associated Press and No. 8 in the BCS Standings, putting the Irish in line for a BCS Bowl.

One of the highlights of Notre Dame's resurgent season came on Oct. 15, when 30 million viewers watched all or part of Notre Dame's 34-31, last-second loss to No. 1 USC. It was the most viewed regular season college football game in the last nine years on any network (ABC's Florida-Florida State, 32 million on Nov. 30, 1996). The game generated a 6.7 national rating and 16 share, tied with Ohio State-Notre Dame (6.7/19 on Sept. 28, 1996) for the highest rating for a Notre Dame game on NBC in more than a decade, and tied for the fourth highest rated game in the 15 years of Notre Dame football on NBC.[/FONT]
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OSU + ND = monster ratings.
 
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The "Shoulda, woulda, coulda's " will clear alittle better Nickinthewoods if teams are encouraged to play tougher schedules! Then we would get a few more answers as to who are the pretenders and contenders.

But the current trend by most schools is to stay with the cream puff schedules and avoid taking the risk of getting that loss that puts your team out of the BCS picture.

I don't know about you guys, but I really enjoyed the Texas OSU match-up and love to see more of these kinds of games. But it won't happen if ADs/Universities see teams getting the hose job (Costing them Millions) for trying it.
 
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It is a pickle, I admit. I certainly don't want Ohio State to shy from
a tough schedule a la Kansas State or Minnesota. But it does seem
that those teams end up losing anyway, perhaps because they don't
face cognitive dissonant early enough. Beating bad teams doesn't
prepare a team for a tough conference schedule. I am curious, though:
if Oregon had beaten a mid-level conference team like Vanderbilt instead of
a I-AA team, would people feel the same way? And to be clear about
this, I couldn't care less about Oregon. I only am trying to note that
winning and losing does matter. We lost twice. They didn't. I will
be glad when we get the BCS bid, but I will also be a little sheepish,
that's all.
 
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