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Ohio State or Oregon for the BCS Bowl?

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The Ducks are saying they had Indiana scheduled originally, but Indiana backed out. I don't know, and I don't care enough to look it up. I just wish there was more outrage at the prospect of a team playing a D1-AA team during the 2003 USC-LSU debates.
 
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nickofthewoods said:
It is a pickle, I admit. I certainly don't want Ohio State to shy from
a tough schedule a la Kansas State or Minnesota. But it does seem
that those teams end up losing anyway, perhaps because they don't
face cognitive dissonant early enough. Beating bad teams doesn't
prepare a team for a tough conference schedule. I am curious, though:
if Oregon had beaten a mid-level conference team like Vanderbilt instead of
a I-AA team, would people feel the same way? And to be clear about
this, I couldn't care less about Oregon. I only am trying to note that
winning and losing does matter. We lost twice. They didn't. I will
be glad when we get the BCS bid, but I will also be a little sheepish,
that's all.
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Will ND be a little sheepish when they get their BCS bid?!? They are the team that is undeserving of an at-large bid.
 
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Let's not forget that Oregon travels to Arizona every year, alternating between ASU and U of A. The average fan probably doesn't visit for each game but the team has been here and done that for the locals. The local crowd gets their chance for an Oregon game every year. As a Buckeye fan in Arizona, I believe this is my last chance for some time to see them in the Fiesta bowl. I will try an go to Texas game and then the next closest game is in LA in 2007(8). This is our chance to see our team instead of the yearly Duck call.

I also hope UCLA beats USC to make things easier.

Notre Dame sucks. I would love to see OSU pound Brady Quinn and watch him crying after the game like Ron Powlus.
 
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i apologize if i'm posting what has already been mentioned, but i thought that this bodes well for ohio state:

first year ohio state athletic director gene smith was a fiesta bowl committee member while he was the athletic director at arizona state.
 
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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15626873&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46370&rfi=6

Tressel won't quack for a trip to Fiesta
JASON LLOYD, Morning Journal Writer
11/23/2005

CLEVELAND -- Jim Tressel isn't planning a flight to Arizona this week. He's content to stand back and wait for a more meaningful trip some time after Christmas.

As it stands today, the last bid to the BCS appears to be between 10-1 Oregon and 9-2 Ohio State. Oregon school officials, including Athletic Director Bill Moos and head coach Mike Bellotti, were scheduled to meet with Fiesta Bowl CEO John Junker yesterday afternoon to plead their case.

Tressel and OSU Athletic Director Gene Smith aren't planning any such trip.

''I'm not sure it's discussions,'' Tressel said last night at the OSU Alumni Club of Greater Cleveland dinner at Windows on the River in the Flats. ''I think it's pretty hard facts that get evaluated. I'm not sure there's anything I can go out and tell them. We are ranked where we are, we're 9-2, that's what we are. Here's where the BCS has us ranked in their formula, which I'm sure I don't understand. There's nothing more I can tell them.''

Oregon played in the Fiesta Bowl in 2001 and brought thousands of fans. The Buckeyes have played in Tempe two of the last three years and flooded the Phoenix area in 2002 for the national championship game.

Ohio State is ranked sixth this week in the BCS, while Oregon is seventh. Perhaps even more importantly, the Buckeyes are Big Ten champions; Oregon won't be considered a conference champion unless UCLA upsets USC on Dec. 3.

The Buckeyes won't know their bowl fate until Dec. 4, when the BCS games are announced on ABC. Should the BCS pass, they would be snatched up by the Capital One Bowl in Orlando, Fla. to likely play Georgia or Auburn.

The players who attended last night's dinner admitted anything less than a BCS bowl will be a disappointment. The other end of that spectrum would be facing Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl.

''That would be a dream come true,'' quarterback Troy Smith said.

Added offensive lineman Rob Sims: ''That'd be pretty storybook. We've had tons of big games and so do they. Notre Dame would be nice.''

Sims was named a first-team All-Big Ten lineman yesterday by the conference coaches. Joining him on the first team are receiver Santonio Holmes, kicker Josh Huston, defensive end Mike Kudla, linebacker A.J. Hawk and defensive backs Donte Whitner and Ashton Youboty. Hawk was named the Defensive Player of the Year by both the coaches and media.

Nick Mangold, Quinn Pitcock and Bobby Carpenter were named to the second team by the coaches. Tressel said last night Carpenter, who fractured his ankle against Michigan, has a chance to play in the bowl game in six weeks.

''We won't know for sure until bowl week,'' Tressel said.

The media selected Holmes, Huston, Kudla, Hawk, Youboty and Nate Salley to the first team. Mangold, Sims and Carpenter were named to the second team.

Last night's dinner was a celebration of the win over Michigan and a co-conference championship. It's the second Big Ten title in Tressel's five years, although some of the players were still expecting more this year.

''We should be undefeated right now, that's the way I feel,'' Sims said. ''We hit some bumps in the road we shouldn't have, but that's the way it goes. It takes a little luck to make the BCS and national championship, but we kept playing. I think we played well enough to show everyone we belong in the BCS.''

Now it's up to BCS officials to agree. Asked why Ohio State deserved a BCS bid more than Oregon, Tressel simply cited the BCS rankings, where Ohio State is a notch ahead.

''I haven't seen Oregon play, so I don't know. But I think there's a whole bunch of reasons why Ohio State is worthy,'' Tressel said. ''I don't know who had a harder schedule than we did. I don't know that I can answer that fairly other than that's what the formula says.''
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http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...sports/1132716348184150.xml&coll=7&thispage=2

Holiday Bowl can help Ducks best
Wednesday, November 23, 2005

When he was a kid, John Junker, the head of the Fiesta Bowl committee, attended games in Ohio Stadium, where he rooted for the Buckeyes. The Fiesta Bowl's chief financial officer, Stan Laybourne, graduated from Ohio State. And Buckeyes athletic director Gene Smith was, until eight months ago, a Fiesta Bowl board member.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Like most of this state, you're probably rooting for Oregon to reach the Fiesta Bowl. And maybe you're hoping the Ducks will be matched up with Notre Dame or Penn State once there. But it wouldn't be the worst thing if Oregon got passed over in favor of the Buckeyes.

In fact, it would be a blessing.

You're going to have to restrain your first impulse as a fan here. You're going to have to see past the green and yellow, if that's what you bleed. Because it's the greater good that postseason football should be about.

And that greater good, for Oregon, lies in San Diego.

Don't let the three thrilling victories to finish the season fool you. Oregon, although 10-1, isn't nearly as potent as it was before Kellen Clemens broke his leg. The Ducks, with Clemens healthy, wouldn't have needed overtime to beat Cal. And Washington State wouldn't have come down to a game-winning field goal. And Oregon State might have needed a running clock in the Civil War.

That broken leg ends up being a crying shame, because Oregon was that close to a magical season with Clemens, the senior leader, under center. And the Ducks playing the Fiesta Bowl with one arm tied behind their backs isn't what's best for the program.

Utah beat Pittsburgh 35-7 in last January's Fiesta Bowl. It marked the 10th time in the past 16 years that the bowl game was decided by 17 points or more. Aside from the thrilling double-overtime 2003 title game between Miami and the Fiesta Bowl committee's favorite childhood team, this game has been a blowout.

The Fiesta match-ups are lousy. One possible opponent, Penn State, is the red-hot champion of a stronger football conference, and will have an emotional Joe Paterno in the locker room. The other, Charlie Weis-coached Notre Dame, was good enough with two weeks of preparation to play USC to the final play.

Oregon lost to USC by 32 points.

In Eugene.

With a healthy Clemens at quarterback.

Oregon co-quarterbacks Dennis Dixon and Brady Leaf haven't played on a big stage. Pullman doesn't count. And they haven't played a single meaningful down against high-level college opposition, yet. Giving them an introduction to Penn State or Notre Dame in a high-profile Fiesta Bowl is risky business.

If you're a real Oregon fan, you should root for the Holiday Bowl. San Diego isn't just the unofficial halter-top capital of the world, it's the right place for the Ducks this winter. With all that's coming back, Oregon might be better prepared for a Fiesta berth next season.

The risk analysis here is simple.

Oregon, ranked No. 7 in the BCS, would easily handle whichever overrated Big 12 opponent was presented in the Holiday Bowl. And Dixon and Leaf would get big-game experience on a semi-big-game stage. With a victory in the Holiday Bowl, the Ducks would finish the season ranked as high as No. 4 or No. 5 in the polls, which ends up being a terrific season when you lose your quarterback in Game No. 8.

And if they reached the Fiesta Bowl?

Well, lose that one if you're Oregon and you're out of the Top 10. And win it, and you're likely still right around No. 4 or No. 5 in the final poll, which sort of explains why you should secretly root for a Fiesta Bowl snub.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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I just got done reading this whole thread. Great stuff. Here's my conclusion:

Hope and pray that the Irish get upset by Stanford. Then, everything is as it should be. Neither 1-loss Oregon or 2(top3)-loss tOSU gets left out. The media has to tame their ND hormones (even if it's just a little). OSU gets a BCS bowl game against an opponent they should easily handle, gets the win and the prize money. This insane "PAC-10 is equal to the BIG-10" idea is setled on the field. And, Texas beats USC in the NC game, PSU wins their bowl game. Then, we finish the season in the top 5, having lost to the two best teams in the country.

As much as I'd love to watch A.J. hit the Irish so hard that the gold comes off their helemts, it would be so much easier (and more fair) if the boys from South Bend lose to Stanford....
 
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BuckeyePride said:
Once Question though.

If UCLA beats USC... won't UCLA be picked over USC in BCS conf champ spot?
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You would think so, but soemone stated that since they havent had the exact same schedule in the conference that USC would get the bid because of common opponents........Its sounds insane to me. Perhaps I need some further clarification.

If the Big Ten was done this way- would we get the bid because of PSU and TSUN?
 
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jenkinswoody said:
You would think so, but soemone stated that since they havent had the exact same schedule in the conference that USC would get the bid because of common opponents........Its sounds insane to me. Perhaps I need some further clarification.

If the Big Ten was done this way- would we get the bid because of PSU and TSUN?
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no. since Oregon did not play UCLA, there is no way to use head-to-head as a tie break... using the results against common opponents is the second tie-breaker, and since both USC and Oregon beat Arizona, while UCLA got run off the court by the Wildcats, UCLA would lose that tie-breaker... now, since USC beat the Ducks head-to-head, USC would hold the tie breaker against them... USC is the Pac Ten Champ because they hold all the tie breakers... it is kind of like Ohio State being a CO-Big Ten champ this year: yeah, we have the same record as PSU, but they beat us straight up, so they are the 'real' conference champs... all that at UCLA upset would do would be to add 'co' to the champs for USC, and make UCLA and Oregon co-champs...

NOW: some jackass the other day was saying something about being glad that Robbie Sims will be gone soon...
Sims was named a first-team All-Big Ten lineman yesterday by the conference coaches.
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bad players do not get voted FIRST TEAM All Conference by the coaches... whomever that was, i hope you enjoyed the rubies...
 
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