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Ohio State now #3 in All-Time Winning Percentage, #5 in Wins

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Dryden;1102632; said:
Enjoy it while it lasts, because it's only a matter of time until Oklahoma's President and AD write more angry letters to the NCAA to have some more losses turned into wins.
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They haven't updated that site since getting their '05 wins re-instated.
If you click on the Sooners, it stills shows them 0-12 for '05.
So, if I did the math right, it bumps them from .743 to .783
 
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Nutriaitch;1102673; said:
They haven't updated that site since getting their '05 wins re-instated.
If you click on the Sooners, it stills shows them 0-12 for '05.
So, if I did the math right, it bumps them from .743 to .783
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The one link only counts games from 1945, so it shouldn't be counted as 'All-time".

Stassen has been updated, and shows:

.71814 Texas......823-313-33
.71379 tOSU.......797-304-52
.71295 Oklahoma...777-297-53

CFBdatawarehouse has:

.71447 tOSU.......798-303-53
.71355 Texas......820-319-34
.71207 Oklahoma...776-298-53

Here are the reasons for the differences in the totals:

tOSU differences between Stassen and cfbdatawarehouse (1 more win, 1 less loss, 1 more tie on cfbdw):
11-29-1894 Stassen shows tOSU-Kenyon as a 20-41 loss, cfbdw has it as a 20-4 win.
10-26-1895 Stassen dropped tOSU-Denison game, cfbdw has it as a 4-4 tie (TDs were 4 points back then).

Texas differences between Stassen and cfbdatawarehouse (6 more losses, 3 less wins, 1 more tie on cfbdw):
1896 Stassen shows 4-2-1, cfbdw shows 4-5-2
1910 Both show 6-2, but Texas was 5-2-1 before Baylor forfeited a tie
1993 Stassen shows 6-4-1, cfbdw shows 5-5-1 without giving the win for a TTech forfeit (ineligible players)
1994 Stassen shows 9-3-0, cfbdw shows 8-4-0 without giving the win for a TTech forfeit (ineligible players)
1997 Stassen shows 5-6-0, cfbdw shows 4-7-0 without giving the win for a Colorado forfeit (ineligible player)

Oklahoma differences between Stassen and cfbdatawarehouse (1 more losses, 1 less win on cfbdw):
1972 Both show 8-4, But Oklahoma was 11-1 before forfeits to Mizzou, Kansas, and Okie St. (ineligible player)
1996 Stassen shows 4-7-0, cfbdw shows 3-8-0 without giving the win for a TTech forfeit (ineligible players)
2005 Both show 8-4 after NCAA ruling to vacate 8 victories was reversed (Bomar/Big Red car dealer scandal)
 
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BB73;1102924; said:
tOSU differences between Stassen and cfbdatawarehouse:
11-29-1894 Stassen shows tOSU-Kenyon as a 20-41 loss, cfbdw has it as a 20-4 win.
10-26-1895 Stassen dropped tOSU-Denison game, cfbdw has it as a 4-4 tie (TDs were 4 points back then).
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How many NC's do scUM, NoD and Bama claim for those two years?
 
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BB73;1102924; said:
tOSU differences between Stassen and cfbdatawarehouse:
11-29-1894 Stassen shows tOSU-Kenyon as a 20-41 loss, cfbdw has it as a 20-4 win.
10-26-1895 Stassen dropped tOSU-Denison game, cfbdw has it as a 4-4 tie (TDs were 4 points back then).
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If TDs were 4 points during the 1894-1895 timeframe, a 20-4 OSU win over Kenyon is more likely than a 41-20 Kenyon win over OSU. In fact, it appears that under the scoring system at the time, it would've been impossible to have a score of 41 points (all forms of scoring were in even numbers).

EDIT: After some research, I found that scoring was as follows during the 1894 season:

Field goal: 5 points
Touchdown: 4 points
Conversion: 4 points
Safety: 2 points

So, Kenyon could've scored 41 points. But, if you look back at all the scores of Ohio State's games from 1889-1897, neither Ohio State nor any of its opponents ever had an odd-numbered final score. So, it seems much more likely that the 20-4 score is correct and the 41-20 score was a hand-written typo (a ine or smudge next to the "4" made it look like "41").
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1102940; said:
If TDs were 4 points during the 1894-1895 timeframe, a 20-4 OSU win over Kenyon is more likely than a 41-20 Kenyon win over OSU. In fact, it appears that under the scoring system at the time, it would've been impossible to have a score of 41 points (all forms of scoring were in even numbers).

EDIT: After some research, I found that scoring was as follows during the 1894 season:

Field goal: 5 points
Touchdown: 4 points
Conversion: 4 points
Safety: 2 points

So, Kenyon could've scored 41 points. But, if you look back at all the scores of Ohio State's games from 1889-1897, neither Ohio State nor any of its opponents ever had an odd-numbered final score. So, it seems much more likely that the 20-4 score is correct and the 41-20 score was a hand-written typo (a ine or smudge next to the "4" made it look like "41").
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By conversion, do you mean the then version of our current 2 point conversion? Then how many points was an "extra point"?
 
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ant80;1103428; said:
By conversion, do you mean the then version of our current 2 point conversion? Then how many points was an "extra point"?
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An extra point is a "conversion". It's a one-point conversion earned by kicking, vice the two-point conversion earned by running a play.
 
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Originally Posted by ant80
By conversion, do you mean the then version of our current 2 point conversion? Then how many points was an "extra point"?
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Touchdowns started in 1876. They was no end zone, a 'touchdown' was placing the ball on the field to allow a kick try from that point.

In 1883, touchdowns past the goal line became worth 4 points. Conversions were only allowed by kicking, and they were also worth 4 points.

In 1897, TDs became 5 points, and conversions 1 point.

In 1912, TDs became 6 points. End zones were added (before that, passes caught beyond the goal line were touchbacks).

The (non-kicking) 2-point conversion attempt wasn't allowed until 1958 in college football.

wikipedia.Touchdown

Field goals were 5 points starting in 1883, 4 points in 1904, and 3 points since 1909.
 
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Top 20 Programs of all time

1 Michigan

2 Notre Dame (IN)

3 Texas

4 Nebraska

5 Ohio St.

6 Penn St.

7 Alabama

8 Oklahoma

9 Tennessee

10 Southern California

11 Georgia

12 Louisiana St.

13 Auburn (AL)

14 Syracuse (NY)

15 West Virginia

16 Colorado

17 Georgia Tech

18 Texas A&M

19 Washington

20 Miami (OH)
 
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Speaking of all-time winning percentage...

If Ohio State goes undefeated in conference play this year,
and,
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If scUM goes 3-5 in conference play this year (or worse);
THEN
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Ohio State takes over 1st place in all-time Big Ten Conference winning percentage.


IMHO, 5 losses in conference play is very possible for the Wolverines this year. Wisconsin, Illinois and Ohio State are all probable losses; Purdue, Penn State and MSU are all possible losses.
 
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I just checked this. In the Big10 conference, we have

OSU: 440-187-26 (.69372)
scUM: 502-180-23 (.72837)

Don't really see how they're close... Where are you getting your numbers from DaddyBigBucks?

edit: Numbers taken from cfbdatawarehouse.
 
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