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Game Thread Ohio State @ Indiana - 09/14/19, 12:00PM (FOX)

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Play for? Maybe. Start for? As I'll show below, probably not.

Maybe IU matches up better personnel wise than did UC... but, your claims, otherwise, do not hold much water...

Now, before I get to it here, I need to be clear - the rankings I'm posting do not, by any means, tell the whole story. They are simply a way to compare players using the same formula. Which is to say, the 247 rankings which I am using are internally consistent. Likewise, a high 247 rating does not assure any level, good or bad, of success in the college game. Which is to say, a player rated .8000 might well develop into an All American, while a guy rated 1.000 might be a relative bust owing to, say, shitty work ethic and an overbearing mother (See, for example, Rashaan Gary). But, with that said, I defy you to demonstrate precisely where "IU matches up everywhere else"

Indiana 247 player rankings for each starter:

WR .8228 Hale, Donavan RS SR
WR .8346 Nick Westbrook
SWR .8281 Philyor, Whop JR
LT .8811 Cronk, Coy SR 76
LG .8216 Crider, Harry JR
OC .8512 Littlejohn, Hunter RS SR
RG .8441 Stepaniak, Simon RS SR
RT .8457 Jones, Caleb RS SO
TE .8411 Hendershot, Peyton RS SO
QB .8449 Penix Jr., Michael RS FR
*** .8386 Ramsey, Peyton RS JR
RB .8402 Scott III, Stevie SO
DEFENSE
LDE .8405 Bryant, Alfred RS SO
DT .8339 Johnson, Jerome RS JR
DT .8403 Harris, Juan RSSO/TR
DE .8173 Stallings IV, Allen SR
LB .8114 McFadden, Micah SO
LB .8056 Jones, Reakwon RS SR
HUSKY .8213 Ball, Marcelino RS JR
LCB .8281 Brown Jr., Andre RS SR
SS .8620 Matthews, Devon SO
FS .8525 Fitzgerald, Bryant RS SO
RCB .8398 Layne, Raheem JR


Ohio State 247 player ranking for each starter:

WR-X .9546 Victor, Binjimen SR
WR-Z .9649 Mack, Austin SR 17
H-B .9330 Hill, K.J. RS SR
LT .8985 Munford, Thayer JR
LG .8135 Jackson, Jonah GR/TR
OC .9757 Myers, Josh RS SO
RG .9876 Davis, Wyatt RS SO
RT .8666 Bowen, Branden RS SR
TE .9233 Farrell, Luke RS JR
QB .9998 Fields, Justin SO/TR
RB .9791 Dobbins, J.K. JR
DEFENSE
DE .9957 Young, Chase JR
NT .8457 Hamilton, Davon RS SR
DT .9563 Cornell, Jashon RS SR
DE .9560 Friday, Tyler SO
OLB .8568 Harrison, Malik SR
MLB .8933 Borland, Tuf RS SR
OLB .8994 Werner, Pete JR 36
CB .9904 Wade, Shaun RS SO
FS .9403 Fuller, Jordan SR
SS .9421 White, Brendon JR
CB .9955 Okudah, Jeffrey JR
CB .8596 Arnette, Damon RS SR

Indiana has exactly 1 player rated ahead of his OSU counterpart - LG Harry Crider .8216 over Rutgers transfer Jonah Jackson .8135. In most cases, Ohio State's starter is vastly superior to his Indiana counterpart. Take for example, QB - whether it's Penix or Ramsey, neither is within a full point of Just Fields. That is hugely significant. I am not gonna go through this with a fine toothed comb, but I think you'll find that bears out across the board here.

I noticed that IU's top 4 roster players are:

Jack Tuttle QB .9321
Sampson James RB .9255
Beau Robbins DL .9070
Cameron Willimas LB .9005

Only Tuttle finds himself on the 3 deep. Sampson James was an Ohio State verbal, confirming the point that IU does have players who could play for Ohio State. My question is, and I realize these guys are all true Freshman, why aren't any of these guys in the three deep, at least?

Just a couple other quick notes to outline the talent disparity.

Indiana has 4 players who are 4 stars and rated .9005 or higher. By contrast, Ohio State has 60 4 stars or better and 52 guys rated .9006 or higher, including 13 five stars (of which Indiana has zero). Ohio State has 40 guys rated better than Indiana's highest rated player, and 53 guys rated .9006 (.0001 above Cam Williams).

Indiana has 5 starters, at any position, who are rated as good or better than Ohio State's worst rated starter at any position (Devon Hamilton). Let that sink in. Ohio State's worst starter is better rated than every single player who starts for Indiana but for 5 of them. And you think Indiana matches up "almost everywhere." To the contrary, Indiana matches up literally nowhere. Not a single position. And certainly not a whole position group.

Now, to be absolutely clear, none of this means Ohio State can show up, throw it's hats on the field and walk out of there with a 50 point win. Indiana is well coached, plays to the whistle, and isn't going to shy away from the Buckeyes at all. I don't know that this Indiana squad is on par with the late 80s Indiana teams, and frankly, I can understand an IU fan's optimism in light of where the program under Tom Allen is now, vs. what IU has historically been... but... the idea that IU's talent and OSU's talent are essentially equal ("matches up almost everywhere) is patently untrue.
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Does this mean I have to write a Behind The Numbers piece for this game?
 
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Urban said this today.

Urban Meyer on @BigTenNetwork on Ohio State-Indiana: "Indiana's got very good players in certain positions. They could certainly play at Ohio State. I can tell you Ohio State respects Indiana because of they way they play us, and it's every year...Indiana gives you fits."


Pretty much what I’ve been saying.
 
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Fkfootball said:
Urban said this today.

Urban Meyer on @BigTenNetwork on Ohio State-Indiana: "Indiana's got very good players in certain positions. They could certainly play at Ohio State. I can tell you Ohio State respects Indiana because of they way they play us, and it's every year...Indiana gives you fits."
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What else do you expect him to say? "We beat the shit out of IU almost every year?" "They're mediocre at best?"
 
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INDIANA QUARTERBACK MICHAEL PENIX JR. WILL BE A GAME-TIME DECISION FOR SATURDAY'S GAME AGAINST OHIO STATE DUE TO INJURY

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Indiana could be without its starting quarterback for Saturday's game against Ohio State.

Michael Penix Jr., who started the Hoosiers' first two games of the season at quarterback, is a game-time decision for Saturday's game due to an undisclosed injury, Indiana coach Tom Allen said Thursday.



Peyton Ramsey, who started all 12 of Indiana's games last season, would likely start in Penix's place if Penix is unable to play.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...penix-jr-game-time-decision-ohio-state-injury

MICHAEL PENIX JR.'S INJURY DOESN'T CHANGE OHIO STATE'S PREPARATION FOR SATURDAY, BECAUSE BUCKEYES WERE PREPARING FOR TWO INDIANA QUARTERBACKS ALL ALONG

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Ohio State’s defense has to prepare to potentially see two quarterbacks with different skill sets in Saturday’s game at Indiana.

Redshirt freshman quarterback Michael Penix Jr., a left-handed dual-threat quarterback who started the Hoosiers’ first two games of the season, was expected to be Indiana’s starting quarterback once again on Saturday. Thursday’s news that Penix is a game-time decision for Saturday’s game due to an undisclosed injury, however, means that redshirt junior Peyton Ramsey – the Hoosiers’ starting quarterback last season – could end up being their first quarterback on the field against the Buckeyes.

Depending on which quarterback actually starts the game for Indiana on Saturday, Ohio State’s defensive gameplan could change.

“They bring different things to the table,” Ohio State head coach Ryan Day said Thursday. “Penix is a little bit more mobile, younger guy. Ramsey’s a competitive guy, we’ve seen him play before; he’s good, he’s tough and a really good, competitive player. So both of those guys bring different things to the table.”

What Day said didn’t change with Thursday’s news, however, is how the Buckeyes are preparing for Saturday’s game – because they were already preparing for the possibility of facing either quarterback.

“We’ve been preparing that way all along anyways,” Day said. “So nothing changes that way. I don’t really know how it’s all going to play out. Even if somebody’s healthy, after the second play they could go down. So you have to be ready for both and have a plan for both.”

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...urday-because-buckeyes-were-preparing-for-two

 
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