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Game Thread Ohio State @ Indiana - 09/14/19, 12:00PM (FOX)

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mendensa said:
but do they have the field stretchers and game breakers at the skill positions to challenge OSU's defense? That's what it is going to take to beat or even stay in the game with this OSU team and I don't think they have it this year. That's why they play the games though. Good luck to you this weekend.

GO BUCKS!!!!
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I would venture to say that most of our starters on offense are good enough to play for Ohio State. I think Westbrook and Hale are projected to be drafted in the 5th or 6th round. Which is about the same as Hill and Victor. Our RB room is deep. TEs are good. The one area that I think OSU has more of an edge is your O-Line. And it would be the D-Line on defense. IU matches up most everywhere else. A lot more than Cincinnati did.
 
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Fkfootball said:
I would venture to say that most of our starters on offense are good enough to play for Ohio State. I think Westbrook and Hale are projected to be drafted in the 5th or 6th round. Which is about the same as Hill and Victor. Our RB room is deep. TEs are good. The one area that I think OSU has more of an edge is your O-Line. And it would be the D-Line on defense. IU matches up most everywhere else. A lot more than Cincinnati did.
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Haha come on now man...
 
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Fkfootball said:
I would venture to say that most of our starters on offense are good enough to play for Ohio State. I think Westbrook and Hale are projected to be drafted in the 5th or 6th round. Which is about the same as Hill and Victor. Our RB room is deep. TEs are good. The one area that I think OSU has more of an edge is your O-Line. And it would be the D-Line on defense. IU matches up most everywhere else. A lot more than Cincinnati did.
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Why don’t you guys place Notre Lame? Seems you should have those clowns on your schedule more often.
 
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Fkfootball said:
I would venture to say that most of our starters on offense are good enough to play for Ohio State. I think Westbrook and Hale are projected to be drafted in the 5th or 6th round. Which is about the same as Hill and Victor. Our RB room is deep. TEs are good. The one area that I think OSU has more of an edge is your O-Line. And it would be the D-Line on defense. IU matches up most everywhere else. A lot more than Cincinnati did.
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That might be one of the funniest or dumbest things I have read all season (depending if you are being funny/trolling or serious). I am sure you match up well against Bama, Clemson, Georgia, LSU,etc.. I mean all our players have two legs and arms just like all the top ten teams. There is a reason you guys go 6 and 6 on an average year...because you are an average team most years. Now go look at OSU and what we do. We have better players, coaches, traditions, results for a reason and its not because Indiana matches up well with us.
 
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Fkfootball said:
I would venture to say that most of our starters on offense are good enough to play for Ohio State. I think Westbrook and Hale are projected to be drafted in the 5th or 6th round. Which is about the same as Hill and Victor. Our RB room is deep. TEs are good. The one area that I think OSU has more of an edge is your O-Line. And it would be the D-Line on defense. IU matches up most everywhere else. A lot more than Cincinnati did.
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I can go and have a cordial conversation about X's and O's and keys to the game, but even with my OSU goggles on, when you start spewing nonsense about IU's starters being on par with what OSU has, that's where I draw the line. I just looked up IU's last 4 recruiting classes and they are littered with guys in the 600-800's. I don't see any of those guys on OSU's roster. OSU's last project offer they bring in would be considered a huge recruiting win for a program like IU.

OSU gets 8-12 of the top 100 players and usually 15-20 of the top 300 HS prospects in America every year. Sorry man, but IU has maybe a handful of guys that could maybe PLAY at OSU, but not START. The programs are a mile a part as far as talent is concerned and it shows in the results over the last 70 years, where IU has only won 2 games over that span.
 
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Fkfootball said:
I’ve compared Penix to Haskins. He hasn’t got his peak level yet obviously. But he’s that kind of talent.
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The only QB in B1G history to throw 50 touchdowns in 1 season, and you’re saying this guy is THAT kind of talent.

This post makes me think this might be a parody account.

Justin Fields is the highest rated player Ohio State has ever had; we don’t think it’s reasonable to compare HIM to Haskins.
 
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Fkfootball said:
I would venture to say that most of our starters on offense are good enough to play for Ohio State.
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I would venture to say you're full of shit. Here are the recruiting class rankings for the last four classes for Ohio State and Indiana, per 247:

2019:
OSU #14 (but #3 in star average)
IU #36 (22 commits, three 4* players)

2018:
OSU: #2
IU #50 (27 commits, not a single 4*)

2017:
OSU: #2
IU #62 (23 commits, not a single 4*)

2016:
OSU: #4
IU: #53 (21 commits, not a single 4*)

So, out of 93 total commits over four classes, Indiana has a grand total of three 4* players. We pulled three times as many 4* players in our 2019 class that had only 17 commits, and a class which if you extrapolate out to the usual 23-25 commits based on star average would have in the top 3-4 classes in the country. Our 2018 class alone has almost seven times as many 4* players as Indiana got in four years. The difference in talent between Ohio State and Indiana isn't a gap, it's a chasm.
 
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Fkfootball said:
I would venture to say that most of our starters on offense are good enough to play for Ohio State.
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Play for? Maybe. Start for? As I'll show below, probably not.
I think Westbrook and Hale are projected to be drafted in the 5th or 6th round. Which is about the same as Hill and Victor. Our RB room is deep. TEs are good. The one area that I think OSU has more of an edge is your O-Line. And it would be the D-Line on defense. IU matches up most everywhere else. A lot more than Cincinnati did.
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Maybe IU matches up better personnel wise than did UC... but, your claims, otherwise, do not hold much water...

Now, before I get to it here, I need to be clear - the rankings I'm posting do not, by any means, tell the whole story. They are simply a way to compare players using the same formula. Which is to say, the 247 rankings which I am using are internally consistent. Likewise, a high 247 rating does not assure any level, good or bad, of success in the college game. Which is to say, a player rated .8000 might well develop into an All American, while a guy rated 1.000 might be a relative bust owing to, say, shitty work ethic and an overbearing mother (See, for example, Rashaan Gary). But, with that said, I defy you to demonstrate precisely where "IU matches up everywhere else"

Indiana 247 player rankings for each starter:

WR .8228 Hale, Donavan RS SR
WR .8346 Nick Westbrook
SWR .8281 Philyor, Whop JR
LT .8811 Cronk, Coy SR 76
LG .8216 Crider, Harry JR
OC .8512 Littlejohn, Hunter RS SR
RG .8441 Stepaniak, Simon RS SR
RT .8457 Jones, Caleb RS SO
TE .8411 Hendershot, Peyton RS SO
QB .8449 Penix Jr., Michael RS FR
*** .8386 Ramsey, Peyton RS JR
RB .8402 Scott III, Stevie SO
DEFENSE
LDE .8405 Bryant, Alfred RS SO
DT .8339 Johnson, Jerome RS JR
DT .8403 Harris, Juan RSSO/TR
DE .8173 Stallings IV, Allen SR
LB .8114 McFadden, Micah SO
LB .8056 Jones, Reakwon RS SR
HUSKY .8213 Ball, Marcelino RS JR
LCB .8281 Brown Jr., Andre RS SR
SS .8620 Matthews, Devon SO
FS .8525 Fitzgerald, Bryant RS SO
RCB .8398 Layne, Raheem JR


Ohio State 247 player ranking for each starter:

WR-X .9546 Victor, Binjimen SR
WR-Z .9649 Mack, Austin SR 17
H-B .9330 Hill, K.J. RS SR
LT .8985 Munford, Thayer JR
LG .8135 Jackson, Jonah GR/TR
OC .9757 Myers, Josh RS SO
RG .9876 Davis, Wyatt RS SO
RT .8666 Bowen, Branden RS SR
TE .9233 Farrell, Luke RS JR
QB .9998 Fields, Justin SO/TR
RB .9791 Dobbins, J.K. JR
DEFENSE
DE .9957 Young, Chase JR
NT .8457 Hamilton, Davon RS SR
DT .9563 Cornell, Jashon RS SR
DE .9560 Friday, Tyler SO
OLB .8568 Harrison, Malik SR
MLB .8933 Borland, Tuf RS SR
OLB .8994 Werner, Pete JR 36
CB .9904 Wade, Shaun RS SO
FS .9403 Fuller, Jordan SR
SS .9421 White, Brendon JR
CB .9955 Okudah, Jeffrey JR
CB .8596 Arnette, Damon RS SR

Indiana has exactly 1 player rated ahead of his OSU counterpart - LG Harry Crider .8216 over Rutgers transfer Jonah Jackson .8135. In most cases, Ohio State's starter is vastly superior to his Indiana counterpart. Take for example, QB - whether it's Penix or Ramsey, neither is within a full point of Just Fields. That is hugely significant. I am not gonna go through this with a fine toothed comb, but I think you'll find that bears out across the board here.

I noticed that IU's top 4 roster players are:

Jack Tuttle QB .9321
Sampson James RB .9255
Beau Robbins DL .9070
Cameron Willimas LB .9005

Only Tuttle finds himself on the 3 deep. Sampson James was an Ohio State verbal, confirming the point that IU does have players who could play for Ohio State. My question is, and I realize these guys are all true Freshman, why aren't any of these guys in the three deep, at least?

Just a couple other quick notes to outline the talent disparity.

Indiana has 4 players who are 4 stars and rated .9005 or higher. By contrast, Ohio State has 60 4 stars or better, including 13 five stars (of which Indiana has zero). Ohio State has 40 guys rated better than Indiana's highest rated player, and 53 guys rated .9006 (.0001 above Cam Williams).

Indiana has 5 starters, at any position, who are rated as good or better than Ohio State's worst rated starter at any position (Devon Hamilton). Let that sink in. Ohio State's worst starter is better rated than every single player who starts for Indiana but for 5 of them. And you think Indiana matches up "almost everywhere." To the contrary, Indiana matches up literally nowhere. Not a single position. And certainly not a whole position group.

Now, to be absolutely clear, none of this means Ohio State can show up, throw it's hats on the field and walk out of there with a 50 point win. Indiana is well coached, plays to the whistle, and isn't going to shy away from the Buckeyes at all. I don't know that this Indiana squad is on par with the late 80s Indiana teams, and frankly, I can understand an IU fan's optimism in light of where the program under Tom Allen is now, vs. what IU has historically been... but... the idea that IU's talent and OSU's talent are essentially equal ("matches up almost everywhere) is patently untrue.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Play for? Maybe. Start for? As I'll show below, probably not.

Maybe IU matches up better personnel wise than did UC... but, your claims, otherwise, do not hold much water...

Now, before I get to it here, I need to be clear - the rankings I'm posting do not, by any means, tell the whole story. They are simply a way to compare players using the same formula. Which is to say, the 247 rankings which I am using are internally consistent. Likewise, a high 247 rating does not assure any level, good or bad, of success in the college game. Which is to say, a player rated .8000 might well develop into an All American, while a guy rated 1.000 might be a relative bust owing to, say, shitty work ethic and an overbearing mother (See, for example, Rashaan Gary). But, with that said, I defy you to demonstrate precisely where "IU matches up everywhere else"

Indiana 247 player rankings for each starter:

WR .8228 Hale, Donavan RS SR
WR .8346 Nick Westbrook
SWR .8281 Philyor, Whop JR
LT .8811 Cronk, Coy SR 76
LG .8216 Crider, Harry JR
OC .8512 Littlejohn, Hunter RS SR
RG .8441 Stepaniak, Simon RS SR
RT .8457 Jones, Caleb RS SO
TE .8411 Hendershot, Peyton RS SO
QB .8449 Penix Jr., Michael RS FR
*** .8386 Ramsey, Peyton RS JR
RB .8402 Scott III, Stevie SO
DEFENSE
LDE .8405 Bryant, Alfred RS SO
DT .8339 Johnson, Jerome RS JR
DT .8403 Harris, Juan RSSO/TR
DE .8173 Stallings IV, Allen SR
LB .8114 McFadden, Micah SO
LB .8056 Jones, Reakwon RS SR
HUSKY .8213 Ball, Marcelino RS JR
LCB .8281 Brown Jr., Andre RS SR
SS .8620 Matthews, Devon SO
FS .8525 Fitzgerald, Bryant RS SO
RCB .8398 Layne, Raheem JR


Ohio State 247 player ranking for each starter:

WR-X .9546 Victor, Binjimen SR
WR-Z .9649 Mack, Austin SR 17
H-B .9330 Hill, K.J. RS SR
LT .8985 Munford, Thayer JR
LG .8135 Jackson, Jonah GR/TR
OC .9757 Myers, Josh RS SO
RG .9876 Davis, Wyatt RS SO
RT .8666 Bowen, Branden RS SR
TE .9233 Farrell, Luke RS JR
QB .9998 Fields, Justin SO/TR
RB .9791 Dobbins, J.K. JR
DEFENSE
DE .9957 Young, Chase JR
NT .8457 Hamilton, Davon RS SR
DT .9563 Cornell, Jashon RS SR
DE .9560 Friday, Tyler SO
OLB .8568 Harrison, Malik SR
MLB .8933 Borland, Tuf RS SR
OLB .8994 Werner, Pete JR 36
CB .9904 Wade, Shaun RS SO
FS .9403 Fuller, Jordan SR
SS .9421 White, Brendon JR
CB .9955 Okudah, Jeffrey JR
CB .8596 Arnette, Damon RS SR

Indiana has exactly 1 player rated ahead of his OSU counterpart - LG Harry Crider .8216 over Rutgers transfer Jonah Jackson .8135. In most cases, Ohio State's starter is vastly superior to his Indiana counterpart. Take for example, QB - whether it's Penix or Ramsey, neither is within a full point of Just Fields. That is hugely significant. I am not gonna go through this with a fine toothed comb, but I think you'll find that bears out across the board here.

I noticed that IU's top 4 roster players are:

Jack Tuttle QB .9321
Sampson James RB .9255
Beau Robbins DL .9070
Cameron Willimas LB .9005

Only Tuttle finds himself on the 3 deep. Sampson James was an Ohio State verbal, confirming the point that IU does have players who could play for Ohio State. My question is, and I realize these guys are all true Freshman, why aren't any of these guys in the three deep, at least?

Just a couple other quick notes to outline the talent disparity.

Indiana has 4 players who are 4 stars and rated .9005 or higher. By contrast, Ohio State has 60 4 stars or better and 52 guys rated .9006 or higher, including 13 five stars (of which Indiana has zero). Ohio State has 40 guys rated better than Indiana's highest rated player, and 53 guys rated .9006 (.0001 above Cam Williams).

Indiana has 5 starters, at any position, who are rated as good or better than Ohio State's worst rated starter at any position (Devon Hamilton). Let that sink in. Ohio State's worst starter is better rated than every single player who starts for Indiana but for 5 of them. And you think Indiana matches up "almost everywhere." To the contrary, Indiana matches up literally nowhere. Not a single position. And certainly not a whole position group.

Now, to be absolutely clear, none of this means Ohio State can show up, throw it's hats on the field and walk out of there with a 50 point win. Indiana is well coached, plays to the whistle, and isn't going to shy away from the Buckeyes at all. I don't know that this Indiana squad is on par with the late 80s Indiana teams, and frankly, I can understand an IU fan's optimism in light of where the program under Tom Allen is now, vs. what IU has historically been... but... the idea that IU's talent and OSU's talent are essentially equal ("matches up almost everywhere) is patently untrue.
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So, basically the same, right?
 
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