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We are really watching the difference between a well-coached team and a not-so-well-coached team. Michigan State is and always has been a great rebounding team under Izzo. His players get in position and work hard for the rebounds. Ohio State (probably because of the weak zone) is never in position. And the players aren't fighting for the ball at all.
MSU is also moving the ball really well in the second half, and Lucas is unconscious with the one-handed floater.
MSU is also moving the ball really well in the second half, and Lucas is unconscious with the one-handed floater.
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naptownbuck
Da Truth :)
It hurts to currently have only one guy who can really get to the rim off the dribble consistently. We talk about all the talent that has departed over the last couple years, but man this team would kill for just a Brian Brown or Brent Darby.
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buckeyes_rock
Great day to be a Buckeye
OH10;1390360; said:
Holes everywhere in the zone on rebounds. Zones are hard to rebound out of anyway, but the guys have to improve their hands and hustle. It seems that we got beat to every ball in the second half.
Maybe the guys are tired because of depth. I don't know. But watching MSU get 3 shots to our one is disgusting.
Lack of leadership really hurts us when we get down as well. Evan tries to do it all and the guys in general seem to panic. I keep reminding myself we're just young...
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naptownbuck
Da Truth :)
OH10;1390360; said:
It also helps to have the players. Lucas was the difference down the stretch in my view. He started to get that look in his eyes..I think he would have taken it over if the game was really close at the end anyway. Put him on tOSU and that game is more of a pickem even though they have greater coaching, depth and just as much talent.
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Jake
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A seven player rotation and no true PG is making it difficult for us to compete for 40 minutes against top teams in the Big Ten.
We can talk about zones, or whatever else, but a young, seven man rotation with no floor leader is bound to have some struggles. Sparty went ten deep today, and wore us down.
Lighty's injury and Crater's stupidity have definitely hurt this team. :(
We can talk about zones, or whatever else, but a young, seven man rotation with no floor leader is bound to have some struggles. Sparty went ten deep today, and wore us down.
Lighty's injury and Crater's stupidity have definitely hurt this team. :(
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southcampus;1390351; said:
Unfortunately....if he hasn't switched out of it in the past 1.5 seasons, it aint gonna happen. I just hate it when mullens or lauderdale has to close out on a 3 point shooter and leaves the middle wide open for offensive rebounds.
it is a 3-2 zone though not a 2-3. a 2-3 might help our rebounding a little bit since mullens or Lauderdale wouldn't have to leave the paint on D....but then we would prolly give up more open 3's from the wings.
A zone defense in the big 10 is really a lose lose situation. Two many good coaches in this league to think a junk defense will win consistently. We won in years past with solid do and an above average offense. Now we have a below average offense and a decent defense that count rebound. I really don 't know what to say. Just a poor performance in the second half by all scarlet and grey parties involved (including the crowd).
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cant expect to win when you get ABUSED on the offensive glass
and on the glass in general, 35-19 MSU in Total rebounds and 16-3 MSU in offensive rebounds, ridiculous
19-4 MSU in second chance points
what once looked like a promising season is now turning into just another average season
looks like the NIT again............
and on the glass in general, 35-19 MSU in Total rebounds and 16-3 MSU in offensive rebounds, ridiculous
19-4 MSU in second chance points
what once looked like a promising season is now turning into just another average season
looks like the NIT again............
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I have said this before this season but it bears repeating. A zone defense is very difficult to rebound out of because no one has a designated man to box out. Once again our lack of defensive rebounding killed us. Also, when we had position, we weren't tough enough in holding it. There were a few times that may be some over the back fouls should have been called but we still were not tough enough.
When our biggest player on the court has to run out to the corner and even hurts the defensive rebounding even more.
I do not think that the return of Lighty is going to help our defensive rebounding that much just because he will be part of the zone defense as well. In addition, his return will probably take away from some of our outside shooting.
I do not have any problem with Simmons at PG. Maybe he doesn't penetrate as much as a natural PG but he really does not turn the ball over that much and is pretty effective from the outside.
This team needs to get much tougher and more aggressive to rebound out of that zone defense.
When our biggest player on the court has to run out to the corner and even hurts the defensive rebounding even more.
I do not think that the return of Lighty is going to help our defensive rebounding that much just because he will be part of the zone defense as well. In addition, his return will probably take away from some of our outside shooting.
I do not have any problem with Simmons at PG. Maybe he doesn't penetrate as much as a natural PG but he really does not turn the ball over that much and is pretty effective from the outside.
This team needs to get much tougher and more aggressive to rebound out of that zone defense.
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OHSportsFan
Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
buckeyemania11;1390391; said:
I agree with the first half of the post
Completely disagree with the latter part.
OSU went 10-1 in a tough out-of-conference schedule. The Bucks will probably find themselves around 4-5 in the Big Ten standings. They're a shoe-in for March Madness, barring a complete meltdown.
Just my opinion. Go Bucks!
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I don't know if you were addressing my post or not and I'm not sure where you split my post. If you are satisfied with fifth-place in the Big 10 then we are okay and I never said where we would finish but I would agree with that. However, we need to get better if we are going to win any games in the tournament. Getting better means getting tougher and rebounding.OHSportsFan9;1390427; said:
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I don't think any one is satisfied with a middle of the road finish in the b10. but considering the youth of this team all I look for is their growth as a team. I thought they played extremely well today for the first 15 min or so, after that they look tired on D and didn't get out on the 3 balls which is how Sparty came back.LitlBuck;1390429; said:
Hopefully we won't lose people and they will come back next year because we just aren't going to improve as a team much until that happens.
No one can expect Matta to recruit a top four team year in and year out.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
You're absolutely right. But I can ask him to coach the team such that it isn't outrebounded 2-to-1 by a team that is neither taller nor more athletic.Best Buckeye;1390438; said:
Not sure what happened to my earlier post, as I didn't slam either players nor coaches. I simply said our execution on the glass was miserable, and that the team exhibited no evidence of toughness. In sharp contrast to the O'Brien teams of the recent past.
I'm not calling out either players or coaching staff, but the last two seasons have been difficult for me to watch (and this one was fine till Dave Lighty departed).
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