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Ohio State 63 Michigan State 54 (Final)

How about you guys move your tOSU vs. Wiscy trash talk to a different thread?.....Or even a different board?
 
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MaxBuck;1112049; said:
As I understand it, our record against the top 50 RPI teams is now 3-9, not 2-9. Not that I disagree with your overall premise, Bernini, but I think you might agree we'll likely get in if we beat Sparty again on Friday.

Yeah, I forgot to make the adjustment with today's victory. But one of the wins was over Syracuse, who I don't have in the tournament either. They have zero wins over a tourney team on a neutral or tourney projected team also. Around the top 44 teams make the tourney each year. 50 is an arbitrary number, but I'm not going to dissect every resume further.
 
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Bernini;1112047; said:
Maybe I shouldn't be admitting this.....but I have. I love March Madness and all of the analysis. I don't think OSU could justify a bid over Arizona St. for example, who is 5-6 v. the top 50 as opposed to 2-9 for OSU. 2-9, with no wins on a neutral or road court against a team who will make the tourney, does not project to success in the tournament. My main criteria is how you've fared against the other teams that will be there. Doesn't mean that's the selection committee's main criteria, but I know it's one of the primary factors. Afterall, you won't be playing Northwestern or Wisconsin-Green Bay in the NCAA's. I made a list before today's victory and I thought about 10 teams justified securing the final bid over Ohio State.

I was kidding around as a rival fan, BTW. Get a thicker skin, ladies.

Whoa! I don't think any one would argue that Indiana has been the Big Ten's greatest team during the last ten years, so a comparison about how many players are in the NBA against them is a pretty weak shot.

Also, let's not forget (a) where you are and (b) that Wisconsin is only 4-4 against RPI top 50 teams.

So, if Ohio State beats MSU in the Big Ten tourney, they will have as many or more wins over top 50 RPI teams as Wisconsin and they will have played one of the 15 toughest schedules this year.

This was a good win for the Buckeyes today. Comments about other teams should be taken to the appropriate thread.

Your last comment was way out of line.
 
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Bernini;1112052; said:
10 straight NCAA tournaments for the Badgers.

More players from Wisconsin in the NBA in 2005 (last time I checked, prompted by a sportswriter belittling Wisconsin basketball) than from the supposed basketball capital of America, Indiana.

Wisconsin basketball is pretty tough, actually.
That's history :lol: I take it with all of your knowledge that you will be meeting with the selection committee next Sunday. Throw out some teams, throw out some numbers and you know it all. Give me a break:shake:.
 
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Butler's 20 help Ohio State upend No. 17 Michigan State, 63-54 - NCAA Basketball - Yahoo! Sports
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Butler?s 20 help Ohio State upend No. 17 Michigan State, 63-54

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP)?Michigan State coach Tom Izzo says that?s not a bubble Ohio State is sitting on?it?s a rock.

Senior Jamar Butler said goodbye to the home crowd with 20 points and Ohio State beat No. 17 Michigan State 63-54 Sunday, closing out the game with a 15-2 run to enhance its prospects of landing an NCAA tournament berth.

?Do I think Ohio State is deserving of being in the tournament? Hands down,? a disappointed Izzo said. ?The problem is our league gets so maligned by people?and for what reason I don?t know. But, yeah, I think Ohio State deserves to be in. They beat two ranked teams down the stretch and they played one of the tougher schedules early.?

Othello Hunter added 13 points, including a pivotal one-handed jam of a rebound in the closing minutes, David Lighty scored 12 and Kosta Koufos 11 for the Buckeyes (19-12, 10-8), who most experts think are touch and go to get into the tournament.

Contd...
 
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Steve19;1112063; said:
Whoa! I don't think any one would argue that Indiana has been the Big Ten's greatest team during the last ten years, so a comparison about how many players are in the NBA against them is a pretty weak shot.

I wasn't talking about alums of Wisconsin v. Indiana. I was talking about players from the state of Wisconsin v. the state of Indiana. I don't know if he meant Wisconsin college basketball or basketball in the state in general. I covered both bases. Did you know that if Arizona and Kentucky don't make the tournament this year (Arizona has no business) Wisconsin will have tied for the 4th longest streak in the NCAA's? That's a pretty good recent history I'd say.

Also, let's not forget (a) where you are and (b) that Wisconsin is only 4-4 against RPI top 50 teams.
Did you know that the lowest rated team Wisconsin has played in the top 50 is #33 Purdue, twice? The median team Wisconsin has played in the top 50 is 16th. So they've played the tougher teams in the top 50. If OSU elevates to top 50 status after their win today, Wisconsin's record would improve to 5-4 v. the top 50. So in theory, they're at least a little better than the 16th team in the country. And have played 5 of 9 on the road, so probably closer to top 10. 10-2 on the road this season, where the NCAA tournament will be played. Their performances project to success in the NCAA tournament......whether it comes to fruition? I don't know how that's an argument against Wisconsin.

So, if Ohio State beats MSU in the Big Ten tourney, they will have as many or more wins over top 50 RPI teams as Wisconsin and they will have played one of the 15 toughest schedules this year.
Actually you won't because you'll be in the top 50, and Wisconsin has beaten you. Having a tougher schedule means you've had more shots at the top 50. Obviously it's mostly about percentages. And in breaking down the schedule against the top 50, you've played weaker teams than Wisconsin.

This was a good win for the Buckeyes today. Comments about other teams should be taken to the appropriate thread.
I started by giving congratulations but conversations follow a natural course.

Your last comment was way out of line.
OK. But I wasn't the instigator. He was trying to refute my point by using Seth Davis as an authority. In actually him making a claim without any backing means no more than me making a claim. Unless he's basing his claim off insider information from the tournament committee. I actually made a minor argument, at least. And my response was to point out Seth Davis is just another guy, and just used a colorful way to do so. Some took offense.

That's history
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I take it with all of your knowledge that you will be meeting with the selection committee next Sunday. Throw out some teams, throw out some numbers and you know it all. Give me a break
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Ten years is recent history. I don't know what the point about Wisconsin basketball history had to do with my knowledge anyways. I made points about why Ohio State shouldn't make the tournament at this point, they can speak for themselves.

Obviously my intentions are always positive. I think I've earned the benefit of the doubt based on my history. I'm not a troll.

I'm prepared to finish this conversation if there are no other points which need addressing.
 
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Bernini;1112052; said:
More players from Wisconsin in the NBA in 2005 (last time I checked, prompted by a sportswriter belittling Wisconsin basketball) than from the supposed basketball capital of America, Indiana.
Interesting google map for you - NBA players by place of birth, timestamp 2007.

Notably Indiana has taken over Wisconsin, Ohio outdid both.
But, of the Mid-West states Illinois takes the cake - and it isn't even close.

(Then go over to East Coast - dominance among he domestic NBA players).
 
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Bernini;1112085; said:
Did you know that the lowest rated team Wisconsin has played in the top 50 is #33 Purdue, twice? The median team Wisconsin has played in the top 50 is 16th. So they've played the tougher teams in the top 50. If OSU elevates to top 50 status after their win today, Wisconsin's record would improve to 5-4 v. the top 50. So in theory, they're at least a little better than the 16th team in the country. And have played 5 of 9 on the road, so probably closer to top 10. 10-2 on the road this season, where the NCAA tournament will be played. Their performances project to success in the NCAA tournament......whether it comes to fruition? I don't know how that's an argument against Wisconsin.

Only because Ohio State has played more Top 50 teams. If you disregard the 3 extra games Ohio State has played, the worst team we would have played is # 38 Purdue once. And if your going to count us as towards your 5-4 Top 50 record, count us as the worst Top 50 team you would have played too.
 
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Bernini;1112059; said:
Yeah, I forgot to make the adjustment with today's victory. But one of the wins was over Syracuse, who I don't have in the tournament either. They have zero wins over a tourney team on a neutral or tourney projected team also. Around the top 44 teams make the tourney each year. 50 is an arbitrary number, but I'm not going to dissect every resume further.
"Do I think Ohio State is deserving of being in the tournament? Hands down."
- Tom Izzo
 
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