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Game Thread Ohio State 33, Washington 14 (Final)

First team to 20 wins.

The offense is going to have some major struggles, more because of being so young and on the road than because I don't have faith in it. If our combination of Thunder, Lightning and whatever you want to call Brandon Saine in the backfield get it started up long enough for the receivers and Boeckman to shake off any jitters, we'll be great. I guess it depends on what kind of defense they use.

Apparently they're studying a lot of game tape on the Florida game. Which makes sense, except for how old the game is. I doubt zone blitzing is going to be as effective when we're changing our offensive game plant he whole way.

I think it comes down to, how does our O-line play? Washington's run D is no slouch, but neither is Beanie's stiff arm. We just need to make sure he hits the line with only one or two tackles to break, instead of four. And throw in some Mo Wells passes to the flats to make the DBs get off their blocks.

Locker would normally scare me, and so would the spread offense, except that I've seen a Buckeyes defense that plays great fundamentals. Historically, we've sucked against the pass and done well against the run. This time, we have (arguably) the best corner in the country, a very capable corner opposite him, the best linebacking corps in the Big Ten, and a guy at safety who could have more touchdowns than our top receiver, if he only could catch interceptions. Okay, maybe not that far, but our safeties haven't been letting much by them.

I agree that a spread option is still probably our weakest point. But I don't see really...any...weak point to this defense. They'll need a few big plays to take the wind out of the defense, though, and their big receiver whose name escapes me, could do it. He's 6'3, 230 lbs, and runs something like a 4.5. Jenkins can still cover him, it's just that he's the first guy of those stats since Dallas Baker. But this guy's probably no Limas Sweed.

I've been very impressed with how Larry Grant and Austin Spitler have been sniffing out the ball. I hope Larry gets a lot of playing time this game. He has a real knack for finding the option or outlet pass and stuffing it. He and the Animal are going to be crucial to stopping Washington from utilizing its spread option on the ground.

As for emulating Locker in practice? Schoenhoft could do it, but what about Antonio Henton?

That's all I've got for now.
 
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Moment of clarity on this spread option stuff.

We've been facing teams that run it since JT took over. He immediately began recruiting multiple DB's every year because he knew the game was going to evolve to the point where you are in nickel and dime more than your "base" defense. He obviously knew that a team had better be able to put a good player out there for that 5th and 6th DB. We do this consistently, tsun honestly still does not get this and the results show.

Go watch any game from 2002 up to now and see what the common defensive gameplan is against spread teams. Rush 4, drop 7, blitz occasionaly and if they get inside our 20 blitz like crazy. The philosophy being keep it all in front of you, play well in space, make your tackles and the odds are the offense will make a mistake and can't sustain more than 1 or 2 long drives per game.

We give up yards but not many points. This statistically leads to us being ranked low vs the pass and high vs the run. 2002-2003 defensive ratings are a perfect example. At first blush someone looks at pass defense ratings and says man, they give up 250 yds per game and rank 80-something, they are weak vs the pass. Meanwhile we are top 10 in scoring D and thats all that matters.

More often than not this philosophy works. The key hidden ingrediant is something DBB touched on in his game preview...field position. UF had a short field all night and the QB played the game of his life. Those two things are the key's to defeating our defensive game plan vs the spread. If an offense consistently has to go 80 yards, 5 yards at a time dinking and dunking, odds are they are going to fuck something up along the way. Penalty, bad read, dropped ball, bad throw etc. If its just one of those days and the QB is playing out of his gord then your going to have a problem. You still have your Offense and ST's to hopefully win for you on a bad day for the defense.

It wasn't the spread option offense blowing our small midwestern pea brains, it wasn't the southern master race flexing their collective superhuman athletic ability on our big, slow, plodding defensive players. It was a case of the other team having players just as good as ours and executing their gameplan much better than we did ours.

Now as it applies to this game. I honestly hope they are dumb enough to draw hope from that UF film because they don't have the horses to do what UF did. It wasn't the scheme of the spread option that got us, it was UF's execution.

Locker may be able to kill people someday but it won't be Saturday. He's just too young and inexperienced. UW isn't a true spread option team and even if they were, the QB is just such a critical spot, you are going to struggle with any young player no matter how good he is. Take into account his supporting cast isn't all that and its even more problematic for UW.

Eliminate the offensive TO's, pass to set up the run, attack the edges and we should be fine.

23-10 OSU.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;927259; said:
I would be willing to bet that, if OSU wins on Saturday, that the Special Teams Player of the Week will be whoever they have emulating Jake Locker.

Ohio State has benefited in the past from having had athletes on the roster that could give the defense a good look at a running quarterback. I would love to know who that person is this week.

Nothing seems to be available on the internet on this subject; and with closed practices, it is doubtful that anything is forthcoming. Antonio Henton has played the role of the mobile QB on the scout team in the past, but as the 3rd stringer it seems more likely that he is spending the week learning OSU's offensive gameplan than emulating Washington's.

Whoever it is, one thing is clear. With the athletes on OSU's roster, the "Silver Bullets" will have had a better look in practice than either of the Dawgs' first two opponents. Here's hoping that it makes a difference on Saturday.

I guess you mean "Scout Team player of the Week" because I don't think Locker plays special teams -although to hear all the praise he's getting, maybe he does (and tapes everyone's ankles and is the waterboy, to boot)
Henton will be the scout team QB.

With our defensive speed and depth, I think we'll be able to contain Locker.
We can always spy him with Freeman/Homan if we have to. Maybe Moeller will get a chance to play and take him out, who knows?

I just hope we don't get uber-conservative on Defense like we did against FL. Be aggressive and kill the other team. Let's see if UW can adjust to what WE are doing on D.

Locker isn't Vince Young by any stretch. He can get first downs, sure, but he isn't going to single-handedly run up and down the field on you and break big gains all over the place. I'm more scared of the Troy Smith / John Elway types that use their athletic ability to keep the play alive and burn you with a long pass. Locker seems to tuck it and take off.

I will be surprised, if we don't have any turnovers in our own end, if UW scores more than 13.
 
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NightmaresDad;927431; said:
I guess you mean "Scout Team player of the Week" ...

Uh, yeah...

Thanks for that. I am such a dumbass. I edited the post; but thanks to you quoting it, my stupidity has been immortalized.

NightmaresDad;927431; said:
...I just hope we don't get uber-conservative on Defense like we did against FL. Be aggressive and kill the other team. Let's see if UW can adjust to what WE are doing on D....


In an article posted by grad' this morning, it sounds very much like Heacock and the Boys are intent on bringing back an aggressive, "Silver Bullets" style.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;927264; said:
With our advantage in defense and special teams, we should be fine as long as the offense can take care of the ball.
This is really the only thing that has me nervous at this point, taking care of the ball. 2 very sloppy games, IMO and hopefully the bucks have gotten back into the groove and are ready to go saturday. 5 turnovers, rain or no rain, is not something that makes me comfortable going into washington.
 
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OK, nothing to see here folks. Moving swiftly along, I just noticed some interesting stats regarding Ohio State and Washington.

  • In what do you think OSU has the highest rank; 3rd down offense or 3rd down defense?
I don't know about you, but I had a definite expectation, and I was definitely wrong. Maybe it's just because I'm a dumbass. Anyhoo, here are the numbers...

3rd down conversions
OHIO STATE: 15 for 28 (rank: 11)
WASHINGTON: 15 for 28 (rank: 11)
3rd down conversion defense
OHIO STATE: 8 for 31 (rank: 18)
WASHINGTON: 12 for 33 (rank: 53)
That's right: Ohio State is ranked higher in 3rd down % offense. Washington's offense, though more respected, has done no better. Washington's vaunted defense, on the other hand, is quite average at stopping opponents on 3rd down.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;927454; said:
OK, nothing to see here folks. Moving swiftly along, I just noticed some interesting stats regarding Ohio State and Washington.
  • In what do you think OSU has the highest rank; 3rd down offense or 3rd down defense?
I don't know about you, but I had a definite expectation, and I was definitely wrong. Maybe it's just because I'm a dumbass. Anyhoo, here are the numbers...

3rd down conversions
OHIO STATE: 15 for 28 (rank: 11)
WASHINGTON: 15 for 28 (rank: 11)
3rd down conversion defense
OHIO STATE: 8 for 31 (rank: 18)
WASHINGTON: 12 for 33 (rank: 53)
That's right: Ohio State is ranked higher in 3rd down % offense. Washington's offense, though more respected, has done no better. Washington's vaunted defense, on the other hand, is quite average at stopping opponents on 3rd down.
Whoa. Next you'll be telling us that fan perceptions on what the problems are, are a tad askew. To be serious, this stat surprised me, but it is consistent with the view that turnovers have been, far and away, the most significant problem on offense thus far.
 
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Jim has been very good about trying to evolve Ohio State's defense with the general offense in the game, and it shows because of how deep we are at CB and LB. I love our nickel package, because of the way we move Malcolm to safety, and have 5 players on the field that can stick with receivers in man or zone coverage with safeties that are threats to pick balls off any time it comes their way. I wish our linebackers were better on pass coverage, but for this game, I'll gladly take them being good at outside run support.
 
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NightmaresDad;927431; said:
I guess you mean "Scout Team player of the Week" because I don't think Locker plays special teams -although to hear all the praise he's getting, maybe he does (and tapes everyone's ankles and is the waterboy, to boot)
Henton will be the scout team QB.

With our defensive speed and depth, I think we'll be able to contain Locker.
We can always spy him with Freeman/Homan if we have to. Maybe Moeller will get a chance to play and take him out, who knows?

I just hope we don't get uber-conservative on Defense like we did against FL. Be aggressive and kill the other team. Let's see if UW can adjust to what WE are doing on D.

Locker isn't Vince Young by any stretch. He can get first downs, sure, but he isn't going to single-handedly run up and down the field on you and break big gains all over the place. I'm more scared of the Troy Smith / John Elway types that use their athletic ability to keep the play alive and burn you with a long pass. Locker seems to tuck it and take off.

I will be surprised, if we don't have any turnovers in our own end, if UW scores more than 13.


Hadn't thought about that, but it's kind of true.
I have nothing but faith in the kids we can put out there on defense (a lot more than 11 =D ), but seemed like our D played on their heels and just tried to keep everything in front of them in that january game.
I'd much rather see us go after QBs like Locker (who are young / inexperienced, let's see what this kid is made of and if he's deserving of all the hype being thrown at him this week) or Leak (who have shown a penchant for making mistakes when they get knocked around).
 
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