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Game Thread Ohio State 3, Southern Cal 35 (Sept. 13)

I Can't believe it.

I can't believe it this was supposed to be one of the best tOSU teams ever and than this happens I'm very disappointed at how the Buckeyes played today we can still make it to the Rose Bowl or another BCS bowl.
 
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OK, I'll add my 2 cents. I don't think what happened last night or in either 2 NC games has anything to do with lack of talent. It comes down to coaching. Coach T needs to shake up his staff! Our defensive coordinator has been thoroughly out coached in the last 3 "Big Games" and our offensive play calling has been stale to say the least! Defensively, if there were adjustments made you, clearly, couldn't tell it as they weren't visible and didn't change anything. The defensive preparation for other BCS major opponents has been woefully lacking. Offensively we need to change things up as well. Preparation on this side of the ball for these games isn't much, if any, better. We need some new blood and thought process in the coaching staff. This team is VERY talented, as much as any of the top 10 teams, but it is not progressing and continuing to improve. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the coaching. Coach T definitely needs to shake things up!
 
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BuckeyeDave;1260304; said:
OK, I'll add my 2 cents. I don't think what happened last night or in either 2 NC games has anything to do with lack of talent. It comes down to coaching. Coach T needs to shake up his staff! Our defensive coordinator has been thoroughly out coached in the last 3 "Big Games" and our offensive play calling has been stale to say the least! Defensively, if there were adjustments made you, clearly, couldn't tell it as they weren't visible and didn't change anything. The defensive preparation for other BCS major opponents has been woefully lacking. Offensively we need to change things up as well. Preparation on this side of the ball for these games isn't much, if any, better. We need some new blood and thought process in the coaching staff. This team is VERY talented, as much as any of the top 10 teams, but it is not progressing and continuing to improve. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the coaching. Coach T definitely needs to shake things up!

Frankly it comes down to attitude too. In the pregame interviews Alex Boone and Todd Boeckman were saying that they wanted to show that they could "hang" with an elite team like the Trojans. OSU is supposed to BE an elite team! There senior leaders shouldn't be out there saying that they hope they can stay with SC and maybe pull out a win. They should have circled the date on the calendar along time ago and put a big, fat "W" over it. You can't go into a game like that hoping to just stay competitive and come out a winner.
 
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BuckeyeDave;1260304; said:
...This team is VERY talented, as much as any of the top 10 teams...

I see a ton of people saying this.

What is it based on?

Not one person has offered specific analysis to give me any reason to believe that what I am seeing has nothing to do with talent.

Yes, the coaching cannot be absolved completely.

But I don't see ANY reason to believe that Ohio State has the same level of talent as USC.

Some people have gone so far as to say that it was "clear" that the level of talent was the same.

BULLSHIT

There are a few people here who I consider to be above average judges of talent. Not one of those people has opined that our talent level is the same as USC's. If those of you who are making this assertion want to be taken seriously, just offer the same kind of analysis of the talent that I have seen from some of the other posters for years. I would offer an example, but the posters I'm talking about have been remarkably silent with regard to the talent disparity in this game.

Feel free to keep saying that "the talent is there". But someone please back it up with something tangible. The hyperbole is getting tedious.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1260320; said:
I see a ton of people saying this.

What is it based on?...

...Feel free to keep saying that "the talent is there". But someone please back it up with something tangible. The hyperbole is getting tedious.

My basis, though admittedly flawed, is recruiting rankings and listening to and watching people who know the game (ie, NOT Mark May or his ilk) critique our personnel. Yes, SC is the best college football team money can buy, just as Reggie Bush(oops, did I say that, hahaha). However, I truly believe that our talent is every bit as good as the remainder of the top 10. JMHO!!!
 
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Kurt Sexington;1260316; said:
Frankly it comes down to attitude too. In the pregame interviews Alex Boone and Todd Boeckman were saying that they wanted to show that they could "hang" with an elite team like the Trojans. OSU is supposed to BE an elite team! There senior leaders shouldn't be out there saying that they hope they can stay with SC and maybe pull out a win. They should have circled the date on the calendar along time ago and put a big, fat "W" over it. You can't go into a game like that hoping to just stay competitive and come out a winner.

I don't disagree with you at all. However, the majority of the blame has to be laid squarely at the feet of the coaching staff for it's lack of PROPER preparation. Even this can be laid at their feet for lack of mental prep.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1260320; said:
I see a ton of people saying this.

What is it based on?

Not one person has offered specific analysis to give me any reason to believe that what I am seeing has nothing to do with talent.

Yes, the coaching cannot be absolved completely.

But I don't see ANY reason to believe that Ohio State has the same level of talent as USC.

Some people have gone so far as to say that it was "clear" that the level of talent was the same.

BULLSHIT

There are a few people here who I consider to be above average judges of talent. Not one of those people has opined that our talent level is the same as USC's. If those of you who are making this assertion want to be taken seriously, just offer the same kind of analysis of the talent that I have seen from some of the other posters for years. I would offer an example, but the posters I'm talking about have been remarkably silent with regard to the talent disparity in this game.

Feel free to keep saying that "the talent is there". But someone please back it up with something tangible. The hyperbole is getting tedious.
Excellent point ... and one that needed to be stated. IMHO, USC is better at every position with the possible exception of middle linebacker (even); tailback (slight edge to Beanie over McKnight, but USC has much better depth); and cornerback (clear edge to Jenkins, slight edge to Washington & Chekwa). OSU was talented enough to play with USC last night - just like they were talented enough to play with Miami in the 2003 BCS title game - but the "intangibles" simply weren't there to even out the talent disadvantage ... and in fact many of the intangibles went USC's way (intensity, penalties, composure).
 
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OK, having had the morning to soak in the game, here are a couple of my thoughts on what I saw.

The team needs to come out angry, wanting to run up the score on everyone they play. If a game gets out of hand, then the coaches can reign things in. In all honesty, I haven't seen that mean-spirited edge in awhile.

If they get punched in the mouth, they need to take their game up a notch. I honestly have not seen that the last couple of years. There almost seems to be a collective shock and subsequent tightening up at the notion that someone actually punched them in the mouth.

Boekman's a good player, but he's doesn't have the Krenzel-like intangibles to make up for his lack of mobility and athletic shortcomings. He's a senior, and loyalty counts for a lot, so I'd just hate to be in JT's shoes in making this decision.

For whatever reason, there is a talent gap between us and top 5 programs. Given our NFL production, I don't believe that it's pure raw talent, but something is going on that separates us from USC or the top of the SEC. Big XII, I don't know about, so I'd be very interested to see what happens if Oklahoma gets a shot at USC or an undefeated SEC team.

We still lose by 21 if Beanie were 100%

And (broken record here) it's just a football game, and people should keep that in perspective. Ohio State University is the same great institution on Monday whether we won by 50 or lost by 50.:oh:
 
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Let me give my Stupid Opinion.

What can i say, I may not sound incredibly positive and say "hey great effort though guys! we will still beat michigan!" because that isn't me. This was a serious disappointment, and as much as i absolutely love Tressel and the way he runs that program, I disagree with and I am disappointed in some of the decisions he makes.

First off, allow me to stress how important this game was, not just in terms of National Title hopes, but for the reputation of the University and the Big 10. After the 2 SEC blowouts in our last 2 big tests, It was huge for this team to come out and redeem the program against SC. However, it seemed to me that JT was more concerned about not hurting Todd Boeckman's feelings than he was winning. This situation is too much like the texas game when zwick was our starter. Too many fans probably would have made a better call starting Troy Smith, but Tressel's Tendancy to stay old fashioned had him start Justin Zwick before Troy took over and went on to win the Heisman. College QB is a tough business, and its unfortunate for a lot of talented kids that never get the chance since only 1 man gets the job, but you need to put the guy out there who gives the team the best chance to win, regardless of loyalty or those types of things.

Terelle Pryor got some snaps, and guess what, he looked great. Wow hes fast, faster than he looks with those long strides. In fact, from the start of the game, Terelle was much more effective than Todd. First drive, Boeckman 3 and out, Next drive, Terelle gets in, and we march down the field, until we get to first and 15, then todd takes over and we go 3 and out. Pretty much every drive that didnt involve TP was 3 and out. And pretty much any drive where we moved the ball, TP was involved. TP had more overall yardage than Todd on about half the snaps, not to mention the 3 turnovers. Yet somehow, letting Terelle take a drive himself was out of the question until the game was completely out of reach. The bottom line is, When we were down 21-3 at halftime, thats when its time for coach to say , o.k. Todd boeckman did not get it done for Ohio State, lets see if TP can go win this game. At least show us that you care about winning this game. Instead, we will just throw todd out there for some more of the same as the game slowly gets out of reach. Never was there a sense of urgency, we just let the game pass us by as if it was not even a concern. Give boom 2 runs up the middle and let todd try throwing 1 play and there is your 3 and out. Which brings me to my next point.

Another thing that frustrates me sometimes about JT is that he far too often seems to just throw drives away. Too often we go 3 and out with 3 dull plays. This was the case today. Not to mention the way he plays for the Field Goal when we get into the redzone too often. When we are in the redzone, its almost like we are setting up for a field goal. Not a bit of urgency to get the touchdown EVER it seems, regardless of who we are playing.

It wasn't simply losing, it was the way we lost. The way we have had such a poor showing our past 3 big games, Not only losing, but flat out putting forth a poor representation of how well this team is capable of playing. This team is becoming one that really cannot come from behind. Because once we get behind, we don't make any adjustments, we don't try something different, we stick to our initial gameplan. Like i said before, i love Jim Tressel and the way he runs that program. But after the first half, i think a coach like Urban Meyer or Pete Caroll would know the only chance of winning is sticking with TP for that second half. Instead we go through the motions with the exact same offense from the first half, minus any confidence. What hurts is that in that game, USC never showed us they could stop pryor. I heard that Jim Tressel was stressing the F.U.N. (Fierce urgency of Now) Well, tonight, it sure didn't seem that way.
It hurts because we really do have the ability to compete with these guys, but we just seem to have no gameplan past the first quarter, and once we are down, there is NO urgency what so ever, and then it becomes 2 scores, then 3, as it slowly settles in that this game is over, but with no struggle, no digging into the playbook to see what terelle could do.


Basically, the overall talent level of these seniors, particularly on offense, isn't near the talent/potential of the freshman we have offensively. If the wideouts aren't getting any seperation, lets see what posey can do? If the O-line aren't blocking, [censored] bring in some of the young guys. I think that if they keep working these freshman together as a second unit, they could potentially be better overall than our starting offense by the end of the year (excluding Beanie)

I hate to say it, but now we know how Michigan felt last year to an extent, bringing everyone back for what should be a monster season, and having your title hopes erased oh so early.


And by the way, people who make sarcastic comments like "wow im sure you know better than the coach why don't you coach!" you need to realize that as a passionate informed fan, for me, part of that includes discussing the games/ giving my opinion on the team, so get over it.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1260364; said:
OK, having had the morning to soak in the game, here are a couple of my thoughts on what I saw.

The team needs to come out angry, wanting to run up the score on everyone they play. If a game gets out of hand, then the coaches can reign things in. In all honesty, I haven't seen that mean-spirited edge in awhile.

If they get punched in the mouth, they need to take their game up a notch. I honestly have not seen that the last couple of years. There almost seems to be a collective shock and subsequent tightening up at the notion that someone actually punched them in the mouth.

Boekman's a good player, but he's doesn't have the Krenzel-like intangibles to make up for his lack of mobility and athletic shortcomings. He's a senior, and loyalty counts for a lot, so I'd just hate to be in JT's shoes in making this decision.

For whatever reason, there is a talent gap between us and top 5 programs. Given our NFL production, I don't believe that it's pure raw talent, but something is going on that separates us from USC or the top of the SEC. Big XII, I don't know about, so I'd be very interested to see what happens if Oklahoma gets a shot at USC or an undefeated SEC team.

We still lose by 21 if Beanie were 100%

And (broken record here) it's just a football game, and people should keep that in perspective. Ohio State University is the same great institution on Monday whether we won by 50 or lost by 50.:oh:

:io:
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1260364; said:
OK, having had the morning to soak in the game, here are a couple of my thoughts on what I saw.

The team needs to come out angry, wanting to run up the score on everyone they play. If a game gets out of hand, then the coaches can reign things in. In all honesty, I haven't seen that mean-spirited edge in awhile.

If they get punched in the mouth, they need to take their game up a notch. I honestly have not seen that the last couple of years. There almost seems to be a collective shock and subsequent tightening up at the notion that someone actually punched them in the mouth.

Boekman's a good player, but he's doesn't have the Krenzel-like intangibles to make up for his lack of mobility and athletic shortcomings. He's a senior, and loyalty counts for a lot, so I'd just hate to be in JT's shoes in making this decision.

For whatever reason, there is a talent gap between us and top 5 programs. Given our NFL production, I don't believe that it's pure raw talent, but something is going on that separates us from USC or the top of the SEC. Big XII, I don't know about, so I'd be very interested to see what happens if Oklahoma gets a shot at USC or an undefeated SEC team.

We still lose by 21 if Beanie were 100%

And (broken record here) it's just a football game, and people should keep that in perspective. Ohio State University is the same great institution on Monday whether we won by 50 or lost by 50.:oh:

Exactly! Couldnt have said it any better myself!
 
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I'm surprised no one has brought this up. This might be USC'S best team since Pete Carroll's started at USC and thats scary. Sanchez in my opinion, will be the best QB out of USC in Pete Carroll's years at USC.
About USC, the Defense is amazing and the offense has it all ,with extras to go. That team depth is scary and with how many players went to the NFL from last years team. I hope they win the national title , I take that back they will win it. At least Ohio state lost to a great team.
 
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