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Game Thread Ohio 14, Ohio State 26 (Sept. 6)

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Anyone notice on 2 of the punts RAy small made some catches that were... rather close to the incoming defenders; as in; he had less than a second to catch the ball before he got leveled? think hes working on his catching in mid hit skills or being greedy??
 
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HorticullyBuck;1252071; said:
Anyone notice on 2 of the punts RAy small made some catches that were... rather close to the incoming defenders; as in; he had less than a second to catch the ball before he got leveled? think hes working on his catching in mid hit skills or being greedy??
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Is there no more catch interference??
 
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Jaxbuck;1252034; said:
agreed 100%

The talk of JT not wanting to show anything to USC is getting way out of hand. Does anyone really think when this game was so close that JT is going to risk messing around and losing just to launch some suprise offense on USC? Same on defense, if we are really going to do something besides the usual rush 3 drop 8 on 3rd and long don't you think they would have strated doing it when they were losing late in the game to OU? No, what you saw in a game that was very much in doubt gives you a pretty good peek at this staffs hole cards imo.

We might see a few new plays but that's it. Hopefully we see a lot more passion and a lot better execution.
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Well, it seemed pretty plain to me that the Buckeyes had no intention of doing what might work to soften up Ohio's D except to wear them out. How many deep balls did they throw? 2? Ohio stacked against the run, and we ran it. Why? Because it seems OSU's attitude was "We're just better than you, and we will beat you because of it. Here comes the iso.. again.."

Furthermore, what tendencies does USC now have to look at?
1st down: Run
2nd down: Run
3rd down (and long, of course): Pass
4th down: Punt

Don't get me wrong, I understand no coach goes playing "hide the ball" at the risk of losing. That's not my point. My point is - the game plan for Ohio was clearly not to go out there with the whole playbook. I know this because even when it was getting to the point where a loss was becoming a serious possibility, our "trick play" was to send the TE on a mid to long out route and running draws/delays with Boom. It's not that the coaches can't figure out how to beat what a D is showing them... when they needed a score, they marched right on down and took care of it. And... then.. buttoned the play book right back up.
 
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Well, it seemed pretty plain to me that the Buckeyes had no intention of doing what might work to soften up Ohio's D except to wear them out. How many deep balls did they throw? 2? Ohio stacked against the run, and we ran it. Why? Because it seems OSU's attitude was "We're just better than you, and we will beat you because of it. Here comes the iso.. again.."
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Bingo. Boom doesn't come out of the game against SC if Beanie's in a boot next week (he won't be, just speaking hypothetically). That was about spreading touches against a lesser opponent, and to some extent overcoming adversity.

Tressel is not going to run Mo Wells up the gut against SC for a 4th and 1. He's running harder but never been powerful upon contact. If Mo is in there, they'll at least put him off tackle to give him a chance to find a running lane.

Or better yet, let Todd sneak the ball off-center, there was absolutely no one plugging those gaps. I think Tressel wanted OSU to overcome their struggles head-on, and unfortunately they could not, and Ohio got a huge stop.
 
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Question: Is it better for the Buckeyes to have not run some of these plays/formations in an actual game situation, just to keep them a secret for the Trojans?

Just an interesting thought. I understand the idea of not showing your hand before a big game, but on the other hand, what's wrong with just playing with a normal gameplan every game and just perfecting it before the big game comes. I mean, go up against the talent of USC may not be the best time to run a play that's only been used in practice.

Again, I've been going over both sides of the argument with myself. I mean, couldn't we just say..."here's some of our plays...try to stop them anyway." Then again, JT's track record against Michigan late in the year could be a result of busting out plays that he kept in his pocket all season and beating Michigan is VERY important, no matter what.
 
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Concerns: Lots of missed tackles by the DL, inability to turn turnovers into points, two experienced receivers, Robo and Hartline, are not getting open last week or this week, an O-line that gets pushed around by OU, an O that has settled for threes instead of sixes against two teams that they should manhandle, a personal belief that one back should not make that big a difference with an O line this deep and this experienced.

Happy thoughts: the kicking game, the improvement in Ray Small (wow!), the thought of watching next year's offense, the fact that the bucks didn't have to blitz once to hold OU to 1 offensive TD, they're 2 and oh, the Bobcat band responding to the O - H - I - O chant by adding a "U" between the last and first O.

Some one please explain this 'cause it just makes no sense to me: down 14 - 12 and you go for the kick instead of for the two that could tie the game. Why in God's name would you not go for 2 at that point? down two or down one, you still need a field goal to go ahead... then they missed the kick making the whole thing even sillier, and what if OU had scored again? If they get a TD and the XP your're down 9 and need two scores to win, if they kick a field goal you're down 5 and you need a TD to go ahead.
 
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As a USC fan, I certainly I don't want to come over here and blow USC on a Buckeyes board but one think I will say is that OSU needs to start scheduling its OOC games a lot more like SC, period. One reason why USC gets fluffed by the media, especially early in the year, is that they schedule major conference teams that are at least popularly PERCEIVED to be either good or not that bad and then often wins. This accomplishes several aims, namely making USC's opening wins look better and avoiding any real criticisms if they don,t really blow out their opponent.
Although OSU has been scheduling some real tough opponents of late, they sill tend to schedule to Youngtown State, Ohio combo and other MAC level teams to open up the schedule. Although most CFB teams do this, I just dont think it's productive. You need to start doing what USC does and in effect game the system by choosing OOC games that will likely appear tougher than they actually are and be winnable both at home and on the road. It's a win win. Your team plays better opponents, your wins are seen as more valuable and the fans get behind the team way earlier.

Again, I hope this doesnt come off as blatant worship of SC. There is mnay things SC does that I'm not a huge fan of and its conference play is, basically every year, annoyingly mediocre. One place they do excel though is in OOC scheduling and OOC play and I think OSU could have the same success and avoid some of the annoyances of outcomes like the OU game by doing likewise.
 
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Chuckled every time I heard the 'U' addition, good stuff.
cincibuck;1252105; said:
Some one please explain this 'cause it just makes no sense to me: down 14 - 12 and you go for the kick instead of for the two that could tie the game. Why in God's name would you not go for 2 at that point? down two or down one, you still need a field goal to go ahead... then they missed the kick making the whole thing even sillier, and what if OU had scored again? If they get a TD and the XP your're down 9 and need two scores to win, if they kick a field goal you're down 5 and you need a TD to go ahead.
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Because if you miss the 2 pt then their next TD makes it a 2 score game. Make the kick and if they score 7, you can tie it up with 1 td + 2 pt.
 
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Kurt Sexington;1252106; said:
As a USC fan, I certainly I don't want to come over here and blow USC on a Buckeyes board but one think I will say is that OSU needs to start scheduling its OOC games a lot more like SC, period. One reason why USC gets fluffed by the media, especially early in the year, is that they schedule major conference teams that are at least popularly PERCEIVED to be either good or not that bad and then often wins. This accomplishes several aims, namely making USC's opening wins look better and avoiding any real criticisms if they don,t really blow out their opponent.
Although OSU has been scheduling some real tough opponents of late, they sill tend to schedule to Youngtown State, Ohio combo and other MAC level teams to open up the schedule. Although most CFB teams do this, I just dont think it's productive. You need to start doing what USC does and in effect game the system by choosing OOC games that will likely appear tougher than they actually are and be winnable both at home and on the road. It's a win win. Your team plays better opponents, your wins are seen as more valuable and the fans get behind the team way earlier.

Again, I hope this doesnt come off as blatant worship of SC. There is mnay things SC does that I'm not a huge fan of and its conference play is, basically every year, annoyingly mediocre. One place they do excel though is in OOC scheduling and OOC play and I think OSU could have the same success and avoid some of the annoyances of outcomes like the OU game by doing likewise.
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This has been discussed ad nauseum in another thread.

OSU has to have 3 home games a year minimum from its 4 OOC games. Lower level BCS schools aren't going to agree to play 2 games in Columbus, they will want a return date and that just doesn't work.

Its all about the economics of being the cash cow for the largest athletic budget in the country.
 
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