Official Cleveland Browns Draft Thread

[Best Buckeye]

I can't imagine the Browns giving up on Charlie Frye really only after one year.
If he wasn't running for his life every other play, I think he'd be adequate at the very least.
Joe Thomas would fix that big time. Brady Quinn wouldn't.
I hope Phil Savage sees it this way.

you are just one of many who think the same as I do. The question is, Do the browns.
Almost everyone who has left the browns seem to be doing ok. so what's the deal. I also think I saw where Robo's dad will be moving on.

 

[Mike80]

Romeo made the statement that he hasn't ruled out keeping Frye, Anderson, and Dorsey as their three QB's for next year. I sure hope that is just pre-draft b.s. Evn if they plan to stay with Frye, they better get somebody else in there in case he goes down again.

I guess what I'm saying is that Ken Dorsey should hit the bricks...

I'm amazed Ken Dorsey is still in the NFL.

They need an offensive line before even thinking about bringing in a big time Free Agent or Draftee at the QB spot....

 

[Mike80]

you are just one of many who think the same as I do. The question is, Do the browns.
Almost everyone who has left the browns seem to be doing ok. so what's the deal. I also think I saw where Robo's dad will be moving on.

Well I'd say a couple things are the problem....

1) I don't think the Browns have recovered yet from the Bubba Butch Davis regime. He literally gutted a draft class by trading up ONE spot to get Kellen Winslow, who wasn't going to be drafted any earlier than where the Browns got him anyway.

2) Since 1999, they've had 3 Head Coaches and 3 different styles/philsophies. That indicates, at least to me, that they have had quite a few square pegs in round holes. Last year for example. Romeo put in the 3-4, but had Kenard Lang playing OLB, when clearly he's a defensive end.

3) It's more than just a talent thing now, the entire attitude around the club expects to lose/be mediocre. It's not Romeo's fault, but he hasn't done anything to change it. You can tell by the body language of the players. They get down and all of a sudden it's "Oh no here we go again"....

 

[king rhabuf]

Well I'd say a couple things are the problem....

1) I don't think the Browns have recovered yet from the Bubba Butch Davis regime. He literally gutted a draft class by trading up ONE spot to get Kellen Winslow, who wasn't going to be drafted any earlier than where the Browns got him anyway.

Look who we drafted in the 2nd round

Dont be so quick to judge

2) Since 1999, they've had 3 Head Coaches and 3 different styles/philsophies. That indicates, at least to me, that they have had quite a few square pegs in round holes. Last year for example. Romeo put in the 3-4, but had Kenard Lang playing OLB, when clearly he's a defensive end.

We're supposed to keep bad coaches?

Obviously the 3-4 is taking some time. In 05 we just had a bend no break philosophy because we lacked the talent to play the 3-4. D'qwell is a little small for it, but Wimbley is great in it.

3) It's more than just a talent thing now, the entire attitude around the club expects to lose/be mediocre. It's not Romeo's fault, but he hasn't done anything to change it. You can tell by the body language of the players. They get down and all of a sudden it's "Oh no here we go again"....

The team has awful awful luck with injuries. I really think Bentleys injury was catastrophic. If we have him, our line is at least decent in pass protection. That injury really hurt.

I can't see this team turning around until we spend a high pick on a QB. The Bengals were in similar situations when they took a QB (poor offensive line) and the Bengals have turned into a winner, and I like the direction the 49ers are going in.

On Defense we should keep the 3-4. Our LB could be great in the future (Wimbley, D'qwell, Davis, and Leon Thompson). Sean Jones should be solid, Bodden is great, we do need another CB though.

The lines on both sides of the ball are not good and they will take time. Say what you want about Thomas, but drafting him isn't going to magically make our line amazing, nor can we expect to build a line in a season. Our defensive line is just as bad as our offensive line too, and Washington has a year left tops.

If hes there for us, we take BQ #3, if hes not AD. Shafer is stuck at LT for better for worse and Branch at #3 is a reach. We can take a good OT in the 2nd like Staley/Sears/Free.

 

[Mike80]

Look who we drafted in the 2nd round

Dont be so quick to judge

It made no sense at the time and it still doesn't make any sense now. Maybe they wouldn't be any better but trading away a 1st rounder just to move up a spot to get a guy who wasn't within 6 or 7 on anyone else's draft board was stupid.

We're supposed to keep bad coaches?

Did I say that? I don't think I said that. Obviously stability with the coaching philosophy makes things definitively easier for every other part of the orgranization.

Obviously the 3-4 is taking some time. In 05 we just had a bend no break philosophy because we lacked the talent to play the 3-4. D'qwell is a little small for it, but Wimbley is great in it.

The defense wasn't the problem this year. It wasn't really the problem last year.

The team has awful awful luck with injuries. I really think Bentleys injury was catastrophic. If we have him, our line is at least decent in pass protection. That injury really hurt.

Maybe. Injuries happen. The problem is that the Browns have never truly gone into a season with all their weapons ready. Therefore, for certain parts of the roster, there are already thoughts of NEXT year.

I can't see this team turning around until we spend a high pick on a QB. The Bengals were in similar situations when they took a QB (poor offensive line) and the Bengals have turned into a winner, and I like the direction the 49ers are going in.

There isn't a Carson Palmer to be found in this year's draft. That's the problem with that philosophy. It sure as hell isn't Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell could end up being a project and Troy Smith will need some time to develop on the NFL level too.

On Defense we should keep the 3-4. Our LB could be great in the future (Wimbley, D'qwell, Davis, and Leon Thompson). Sean Jones should be solid, Bodden is great, we do need another CB though.

no quibble here - the 3-4 is one of the harder defenses to block when it's functioning properly.

The lines on both sides of the ball are not good and they will take time. Say what you want about Thomas, but drafting him isn't going to magically make our line amazing, nor can we expect to build a line in a season. Our defensive line is just as bad as our offensive line too, and Washington has a year left tops.

No just drafting Thomas is what this team should do. They aren't going to get away with drafting a QB high here or not strengthening their most obvious weakness. Maybe if Adrian Peterson comes out I can see them going after him, but if he doesn't or if he isn't there, they need to strengthen their most obvious weakness.

 

[NFBuck]

If hes there for us, we take BQ #3, if hes not AD. Shafer is stuck at LT for better for worse and Branch at #3 is a reach. We can take a good OT in the 2nd like Staley/Sears/Free.

OK, I have to ask. Why do you have this hard-on for Brady Quinn? What have you seen that makes you think he's gonna be a good NFL QB? All I saw him do was light up cupcakes and fold like a lawn chair against top notch competition. In four years in college, what would you consider his signature win? A memorable play or drive?

I've said it before, I'll say it again; if the Browns draft Brady Quinn...they've lost a life long fan. And it's not because he's a Domer either. We have much bigger needs that are available in this draft, and Quinn is not gonna be that good an NFL QB IMO.

 

[king rhabuf]

OK, I have to ask. Why do you have this hard-on for Brady Quinn? What have you seen that makes you think he's gonna be a good NFL QB? All I saw him do was light up cupcakes and fold like a lawn chair against top notch competition. In four years in college, what would you consider his signature win? A memorable play or drive?

Pass to Samardzija in UCLA game? Coming back against Mich St this year?

Can you tell me memories of Alex Smith or Carson Palmer that blew you away?

I've said it before, I'll say it again; if the Browns draft Brady Quinn...they've lost a life long fan. And it's not because he's a Domer either. We have much bigger needs that are available in this draft, and Quinn is not gonna be that good an NFL QB IMO.

Its not like Joe Thomas is the next Walter Jones. Remember the last heralded LT from the big 10?

I think Quinn will be great in the NFL. Remember, hes from OH and WANTS to play for the Browns

 

[king rhabuf]

It made no sense at the time and it still doesn't make any sense now. Maybe they wouldn't be any better but trading away a 1st rounder just to move up a spot to get a guy who wasn't within 6 or 7 on anyone else's draft board was stupid.

Butch recruited Kellen at the U, and Kellen is an amazing TE. Sean Jones was a great 2nd round pick too. Those guys have been the best players we've ever gotten in the first two rounds.

Did I say that? I don't think I said that. Obviously stability with the coaching philosophy makes things definitively easier for every other part of the orgranization.

When Chris Palmer is the coach, stability goes out the window.

The defense wasn't the problem this year. It wasn't really the problem last year.

Check your facts. It was ranked 31st in the NFL. Awful against the run.

There isn't a Carson Palmer to be found in this year's draft. That's the problem with that philosophy.

His names Brady Quinn.

No just drafting Thomas is what this team should do. They aren't going to get away with drafting a QB high here or not strengthening their most obvious weakness. Maybe if Adrian Peterson comes out I can see them going after him, but if he doesn't or if he isn't there, they need to strengthen their most obvious weakness.

Again, we have Shafer at LT for better or for worse. We aren't taking Thomas with the money we've invested into Shafer. AD would be great if BQ is taken.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Pass to Samardzija in UCLA game? Coming back against Mich St this year?

in neither game did quinn do anything that was spectacular. it was his players, his recievers, that achieved the late comeback. quinn's passes were simple, and the receivers created the exceptional. anyway, for every michigan state there was a michigan. for every ucla, there was an lsu.

 

[NFBuck]

Can you tell me memories of Alex Smith or Carson Palmer that blew you away?

Well, Carson Palmer's college career was 5 years ago and I didn't follow USC, but I do know he won the Heisman Trophy, so apparently he did have some memorable plays and performed well against competition. As for Alex Smith, he was the first pick in what may be one of the most mediocre drafts talent wise in recent memory. There was no consensus number one pick that year...he was #1 by default. On top of that, I really doubt he ever becomes much more than a decent NFL QB.

Buckguy pretty much covered it as far as Quinn goes. He led a comeback against a dreadful MSU team. Whoopdee freakin' doo. He barely beat a mediocre UCLA team. Don't give me a "they beat USC" excuse either. That was a rivalry game, and we all know crazy things happen in rivalry games. Well, unless it's USC-NoD, we pretty much know how that one goes.

Bottom line is this: Quinn had a grand total of ZERO big wins in four years of college. I suppose you could say he beat scUM last year (2005), but scUM was bad last year (2005). He has shown with alarming regularity that he is prone to panicking and making mistakes when pressured. I don't want him in a Browns uniform. Would just be Tim Couch the sequel. I'd rather have Thomas, AP (provided he comes out), or hell, even Alan Branch than Quinn.

Again, this isn't a personal thing I have against Quinn because he's a Domer. I just don't think he's the answer for the Browns. We have many more pressing needs than a QB that need to be addressed, beginning with the lines. I'm just sick of all these high draft picks not helping to really improve the organization, Wimbley being the exception. Frustrating as hell. It's like watching the Bungles of the nineties all over again. I'm afraid drafting Quinn would be David Klingler all over again. Wait, I guess technically Couch would have been our Klingler, making Quinn our Akili Smith. Hell, whatever; I just think drafting Quinn would be a huge mistake.

 

[23Skidoo]

Well, Carson Palmer's college career was 5 years ago and I didn't follow USC, but I do know he won the Heisman Trophy, so apparently he did have some memorable plays and performed well against competition.

Some useless information on Palmer, to bolster your argument.
Palmer is 1 of only 3 true freshman QBs to ever start for USC.
In 2002, Palmer was instrumental in defeating #22 Auburn, #14 CU, #12 ND, and #3 Iowa. His team lost by a combined 10 points to #6 KState and #7 Washington State.
He threw for 302 yards against Auburn, 244 against CU, 425 against ND, 303 against Iowa, 186 against KState, and 315 against Washington State.
Palmer's final season included 3942 yards, 33 TDs / 10 ints.
Oh, and Palmer actually won a bowl game. A BCS bowl at that.


I think we can conclude from this that the only viable comparison of Brady Quinn to Mr. Palmer is something along the lines of... "Quinn is a poor man's Palmer"

 

[king rhabuf]

Some useless information on Palmer, to bolster your argument.

Palmer is 1 of only 3 true freshman QBs to ever start for USC.
In 2002, Palmer was instrumental in defeating #22 Auburn, #14 CU, #12 ND, and #3 Iowa. His team lost by a combined 10 points to #6 KState and #7 Washington State.
He threw for 302 yards against Auburn, 244 against CU, 425 against ND, 303 against Iowa, 186 against KState, and 315 against Washington State.
Palmer's final season included 3942 yards, 33 TDs / 10 ints.
Oh, and Palmer actually won a bowl game. A BCS bowl at that.


I think we can conclude from this that the only viable comparison of Brady Quinn to Mr. Palmer is something along the lines of... "Quinn is a poor man's Palmer"

Palmer only threw for one more TD than INT his junior year. He really didn't start being dominant until the last half of his senior year. That was one of the knocks on him on draft day.

Can you tell me a memorable game that Jay Cutler won?

The point is, Quinn has the frame, arm, and intelligence that are hallmarks of a franchise QB just like Palmer does.

 

[NFBuck]

Palmer only threw for one more TD than INT his junior year. He really didn't start being dominant until the last half of his senior year. That was one of the knocks on him on draft day.

Can you tell me a memorable game that Jay Cutler won?

The point is, Quinn has the frame, arm, and intelligence that are hallmarks of a franchise QB just like Palmer does.​

Ryan Leaf had the frame, arm and intelligence to be dominent. Palmer won the friggin' Heisman, and as pointed out above, did quite well against solid competition as a Senior. Sorry, why are you bringing up Jay Cutler again?​

 

[scarletngrey11]

Thomas didnt impress me against Arkansas, and I was pimping him up as much as anyone...

I have no clue who the Browns should draft.

I want the Browns to be a running team. Its Cleveland for God's sake, we cant throw the ball all around the field.

We need an indentity. Right now im leaning towards Peterson honestly... as long as we address the OL problem in FA.

 

[NFBuck]

... as long as we address the OL problem in FA.

So long as we don't throw a pile of money at another Schaffer. WTF was that?