Official Cleveland Browns Draft Thread

[23Skidoo]

Frye plays until BQ is ready. Whats so hard to understand?

Phil is a BPA guy....if BQ is there at #3, then he will be interested in him.

Quinn has mobility (see 70 yard run against USC) and you're overrating Troy's mobility - he sure couldn't dodge those Gators on Monday!

What good is having a good running game and line when your QB sucks? Look what the Broncos had to do this year. We can take a HB like McFadden in next years draft.

We can't ignore the QB position.​

1. If Frye is good enough to start until Brady is ready -- Brady obviously isn't that good to begin with. Nobody drafts a QB in the top-10 to sit even half the season behind a young inexperienced QB that everyone thinks is a washout. The likes of Curt Warner and Jake Plummer (established reliable NFL signal callers) didn't even last half the year. No QB drafted in the top-5 by a team with no viable experience at the position will be able to sit him without admitting that they screwed the pooch on that decision.

2. Wow, you found one good run on a fluke play. I've watched ND enough to know that 9 times out of 10, Brady just takes the sack. We've already got QBs that are not only very talented in that department, but even more experienced.
You're pointing out the exceptions to the rules for both QBs to argue your point. I'm unconvinced.

3. The Broncos are not an example for a solid running game with a junk QB. Their running game sucks this year. I like Shannahan's philosophy on RBs -- but this year his luck ran out. Denver has generally put their big money into anything but a running back.
The point of having a good running game when your QB is young should be obvious.

4. We can ignore the QB situation right now. We aren't going to go from where we are now to a legit playoff team (esp in our division) in a single year. However, I think we need to sign a vet, and give Frye/Anderson time to actually be mentored. If TS is available in the 2nd, I don't think we can pass him up either. But I'd hate to see Troy thrown into the mix like so many others.

5. Claiming we can just draft McFadden next year is pretty lackadaisical. This gives me the impression you really haven't thought this through. I personally don't think we need a RB right now either (remember, I subscribe to Shannahan's concept of disposable running backs) -- and I'm not big on AP because of the injury angle and our seeming injury curse. But I couldn't fault them for taking Adrian either. He is a beast and acts classy.
I just think that with Droughns and Harrison we have far bigger and more immediate needs on the lines and secondary that need to be addressed early and often in free agency, draft, or however we can do it.​

 

[strohs]

If we draft BQ then I will puke and may not watch a game all next season
Russell > BQ
Smith > BQ
Me > BQ
We need a LT
The game is won and lost in the trenches, and we have big fat slowpokes who cant block 9yo girl up there

 

[exhawg]

I can't believe that you are all arguing with this domer. Anyone who thinks the Browns should draft Quinn belongs over on BN.

 

[Buckin' A]

No one lets a stud OL go. They are just too hard to come by and too hard to replace, unless you are retarded like the Seachickens letting scUM Hutchinson go last year. You have to draft them.

That's just the point though...many are not convinced that Thomas is a stud. He's simply the best this year.

 

[Ttown]

I pray for the day that the Brownies return to their glory days. They do need an awful lot of help on both sides of the ball. Then next year if they can stay healthy we might have a chance to go deep in the playoffs.
That is a lot. But line help will help Frye have a chance to develop into what he might be other wise he will be a burnt out gunshy Qb in two years.

 

[Cornerback6]

All I'm going to say, is that if the Browns do return back to their glory days indeed...the fans are going to go CRAZY.

If there is more pent-up energy in any other professional sports organization, I'd be surprised.

I hope they take Thomas or AP. None other. No Quinn, no Branch, no Russell.

 

[king rhabuf]

Nobody drafts a QB in the top-10 to sit even half the season

Bengals with Carson Palmer ring a bell?

2. Wow, you found one good run on a fluke play. I've watched ND enough to know that 9 times out of 10, Brady just takes the sack. We've already got QBs that are not only very talented in that department, but even more experienced.
You're pointing out the exceptions to the rules for both QBs to argue your point. I'm unconvinced.

Quinn is a better runner than Frye. Obviously hes not a scrambler, but he can by himself time in the pocket if he has too.

3. The Broncos are not an example for a solid running game with a junk QB. Their running game sucks this year. I like Shannahan's philosophy on RBs -- but this year his luck ran out. Denver has generally put their big money into anything but a running back.
The point of having a good running game when your QB is young should be obvious.

Can't agree with you there - the Broncos has the 8th best rushing attack (YPG) in the NFL. They had lots of injuries, but obviously Shanahan has a great system there.

My point was that Shanahan realized the team was never going to win a Super Bowl with Jake Plummer at the helm - he had to make a tough decision.

4. We can ignore the QB situation right now. We aren't going to go from where we are now to a legit playoff team (esp in our division) in a single year. However, I think we need to sign a vet, and give Frye/Anderson time to actually be mentored. If TS is available in the 2nd, I don't think we can pass him up either. But I'd hate to see Troy thrown into the mix like so many others.

Anderson and Frye are backups in the league. What vet are we going to sign? Jake Plummer?

TS in the 2nd sounds good, but thats only if we dont take BQ in the 1st.

5. Claiming we can just draft McFadden next year is pretty lackadaisical. This gives me the impression you really haven't thought this through.

You yourself said the team isn't going anywhere. We need to get a good HB.

I personally don't think we need a RB right now either (remember, I subscribe to Shannahan's concept of disposable running backs) -- and I'm not big on AP because of the injury angle and our seeming injury curse. But I couldn't fault them for taking Adrian either. He is a beast and acts classy.
I just think that with Droughns and Harrison we have far bigger and more immediate needs on the lines and secondary that need to be addressed early and often in free agency, draft, or however we can do it.

Did you see Droughns at all this year? Look at the Texans game. The line opened some nice holes for him, and instead of 20 yard runs, he ran for 8-12 yard gains. He really isn't that great of a back.

AD had an ankle injury his sophomore year due to overuse as a freshman, and this years injury was a fluke, but that has BROWNS written all over it:(

 

[Ttown]

I don't necessarily think we need a qb. if we don't get the line straightned out no qb in the world will do good. I don't care if it is Young, or Manning or whoever, they would get killed just like frye without protection.
A lot of you are discussing TS or Quinn instead. I don't necessarily think either one will prosper in the NFL let alone behind a weak O line at Cleveland.

 

[NFBuck]

If I see Brady Quinn's name mentioned in this thread again, I'm not reading it anymore.

 

[booster buckeye]

If I see Brady ........'s name mentioned in this thread again, I'm not reading it anymore.

So if I quoted you verbatim?...

 

[IronBuckI]

Brady Quinn = Joey Harrington

 

[Flocka]

Brady Quinn = Joey Harrington

No, Harrington actually showed he could play football while in Miami. He wasn't great, but is def. better than Quinn would be. Brady Quinn = Eric Crouch lol

 

[23Skidoo]

Bengals with Carson Palmer ring a bell?

Palmer sat behind Kitna, a solid reliable vet at the time (who also threw for 3500+ yards that year). He didn't sit behind a 2nd-year inexperienced QB like Frye.

Quinn is a better runner than Frye. Obviously hes not a scrambler, but he can by himself time in the pocket if he has too.

I'm sure Frye and Anderson could buy time in college too.

Can't agree with you there - the Broncos has the 8th best rushing attack (YPG) in the NFL. They had lots of injuries, but obviously Shanahan has a great system there.

My point was that Shanahan realized the team was never going to win a Super Bowl with Jake Plummer at the helm - he had to make a tough decision.

You may have noticed I live in Colorado. Denver's running game is not what is expected here. And if you want to convince yourself that it is, I could make the point that of the 3 big rookie QBs, Cutler's stats are far and away the best. Also, dropping Plummer was hardly a tough decision. He never played the kind of passing game Shanahan likes and he had a tendency to occasionally choke.

Either way, as I said before, the benefit of a solid running game while you've got a rookie QB is pretty obvious.

Anderson and Frye are backups in the league. What vet are we going to sign? Jake Plummer?

I'd take him over the guy you're pushing. Plummer is tough, has mobility, and still has a winning spirit -- along with something to prove. His arm strength is the major drawback, but Braylon apparantly has an issue catching hail marys anyway.

You yourself said the team isn't going anywhere. We need to get a good HB.

Did you see Droughns at all this year? Look at the Texans game. The line opened some nice holes for him, and instead of 20 yard runs, he ran for 8-12 yard gains. He really isn't that great of a back.

AD had an ankle injury his sophomore year due to overuse as a freshman, and this years injury was a fluke, but that has BROWNS written all over it:(

You can get production out of young RBs in later picks (3-7) or even FA rookies. I said all of that already. But then your entire response has been an exercise in cutting and pasting my statements completely out of context. If you're going to respond to my posts, I suggest you actually read them all the way through.

 

[king rhabuf]

Palmer sat behind Kitna, a solid reliable vet at the time (who also threw for 3500+ yards that year). He didn't sit behind a 2nd-year inexperienced QB like Frye.

The point remains the same - they start until the rookie is ready, be it 4 games, 8 games, a season.

I'm sure Frye and Anderson could buy time in college too.

Not addressing my point. Quinn will be able to buy himself time in the NFL. Have you seen Frye scramble?

You may have noticed I live in Colorado. Denver's running game is not what is expected here. And if you want to convince yourself that it is, I could make the point that of the 3 big rookie QBs, Cutler's stats are far and away the best. Also, dropping Plummer was hardly a tough decision. He never played the kind of passing game Shanahan likes and he had a tendency to occasionally choke.

Again, you don't support your statement with anything. I say they have the 8th best rushing attack in YPG and you talk about rookie quarterbacks.

Leinart will be better than Cutler imo btw.

Either way, as I said before, the benefit of a solid running game while you've got a rookie QB is pretty obvious.

Another statement that has no support. You also contradict yourself in your last statement.

I'd take him over the guy you're pushing. Plummer is tough, has mobility, and still has a winning spirit -- along with something to prove. His arm strength is the major drawback, but Braylon apparantly has an issue catching hail marys anyway.

He also turns the ball over a lot. Theres a reason hes not starting anymore

You can get production out of young RBs in later picks (3-7) or even FA rookies. I said all of that already. But then your entire response has been an exercise in cutting and pasting my statements completely out of context. If you're going to respond to my posts, I suggest you actually read them all the way through.

Yet another unsupported statement. Name some 7th round HB's and UDFA's that have done a lot in the league other than Mike Bell.

Also, you replied to my posts the same why I did yours, so I don't why your complaining about me.

 

[23Skidoo]

The point remains the same - they start until the rookie is ready, be it 4 games, 8 games, a season.

Poor attempt at a strawman. I said nobody drafts a QB in the top-10 to sit behind an inexperienced one about to be thrown under the bus. You then copied a single sentence out of an entire paragraph and point out that Palmer sat for a year. Palmer sat behind a vet.
Neither BQ nor TS, drafted in the 1st or 2nd, would sit behind Frye.

Not addressing my point. Quinn will be able to buy himself time in the NFL. Have you seen Frye scramble?

I addressed your point dead on. Quinn can buy time in college, the NFL isn't college. Quinn is not mobile.

Again, you don't support your statement with anything. I say they have the 8th best rushing attack in YPG and you talk about rookie quarterbacks.

Of course I'm talking about rookie quarterbacks. That's the subject, if you didn't notice.
At this point your comments have nothing to do with anything, you're just trying to get caught up in technicalities to avoid the fact that you have no legitimate argument.

Leinart will be better than Cutler imo btw.

Good for you.

Another statement that has no support. You also contradict yourself in your last statement.

Praytell how. I'd love to hear your rendition.

He also turns the ball over a lot. Theres a reason hes not starting anymore

Splitting hairs...

Yet another unsupported statement. Name some 7th round HB's and UDFA's that have done a lot in the league other than Mike Bell.

Brilliant tactic. I posit that I like Shanahan's concept on RBs -- but to back up my statement, I can't use any RBs from his teams.
Again, what does this have to do with the Browns?

Also, you replied to my posts the same why I did yours, so I don't why your complaining about me.

No. I included your entire post in my reply -- and the sections were already divided when you posted them. What you did earlier was cut out a single sentence and respond to that, taking it completely out of context.