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Notre Dame (football only discussion)

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The MAC-level talent argument dies a cruel death:
jboughton said:
Re: Weis should get 5 years before we judge him.
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jimmy4heisman said:
Here is what this years team is:
- jr./sr. classes were recruited at or below MAC level talent​
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Notre Dame's recruiting classes in 2004 and 2005 were below their usual standard, but they were in no way "MAC level talent".

per scout:

2005 - Notre Dame class ranked 27th - Average player rating 3.27, 14 out of 15 players rated 3 or 4 stars.
- MAC's *highest* rated class was 69th (Akron). The entire conference had 10 three star recruits, no 4 or 5 star players.

2004 - Notre Dame class ranked 30th - Average player rating 2.94 stars, 13 out of 17 players rated 3 or 4 stars
- MAC's *highest* rated class was 78th (Miami). The entire conference had 3 three star recruits, none rated higher.
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Boulder said:
Its good to see you guys are digging in and researching the 2004 and 2005 classes.

They may have been top 30 or 40 players when they were recruited but that was before 15 or so left. If you factor in the players leaving then...maybe top 40 or 50. So, do you really think these classes are that far off from MAC classes playing a difficult schedule?

Boulder
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zerreth said:
Re: Weis should get 5 years before we judge him.


Boulder wrote: ?Its good to see you guys are digging in and researching the 2004 and 2005 classes.

They may have been top 30 or 40 players when they were recruited but that was before 15 or so left. If you factor in the players leaving then...maybe top 40 or 50. So, do you really think these classes are that far off from MAC classes playing a difficult schedule?

Boulder?


Ok...
I went player by player on the 2004 and 2005 recruiting lists and compared them to Notre Dames current roster.
10 players recruited in 2004-2005 have left the team.

Of the players that remained on the current roster they had the following ratings out of high school:

7 4 Star
14 3 star
2 2 Star

Compared to 2004 MAC
MAC's *highest* rated class was 78th (Miami).

0 4 Star
0 3 Star

Compared to 2005 MAC
MAC's *highest* rated class was 69th (Akron).

1 4 Star
3 3 Star


Compare to NAVY

2004- 2005

ZERO 3 or 4 Star


Compare to Air Force
2004-2005

ZERO 3 or 4 Star

The reason Notre Dame lost to those two teams is Coaching. There is absolutely no reasonable person who can complain that Notre Dame didn't out talent those two teams.
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What a time to join a conference... seriously, the Big East. That's the heart of their fan support anyway, the Irish would be assured a 6 win season just by showing up and a BCS bowl for beating WVA most years. How tough could that be?
 
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OSUsushichic;994912; said:
What ND's schedule should look like next year:

ClayNation: Let's make our own luck of the Irish - CBSSports.com

:slappy:
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Let's breaK this puppy down...

Dillon Panthers: (Haven't watched this show yet, but I've wanted to so badly) From what I hear, Coach Taylor>Chucky Cheese, so give them an L here. 34-31 0-1

U.S Merchant Marine Academy: In better shape than the Domers thanks to their S&C program. ND's S&C program consists of "Catch the Jabba carrying a donut before he eats it". Sadly, this usually results in sprints of .000000000000000001 seconds. Not too much for the ol' cardio. 28-17 0-2

@ Appalachian State: Let's see here. Appalachian State 34, Michigan 32 (with their full squad). Michigan 38 Notre Dame (both teams with a freshman QB). Armanti Edwards and Dexter Jackson have big days, and Appalachian State rolls 42-7. 0-3

Mount Union: Their coach knows how to win. 33-27 Domers 0-4

Hickory High: No chance for the Domahs. Great team chemistry does it in a 24-21 win 0-5

Losing Lingerie Bowl Team: The eye candy almost beats the Domers, but Jimmy Clausen is as feminine as they are and manages to outdo his female counterparts with a studly 250 yards and 4 TD. ND 28-20 1-5

Coast Guard: See USMMC. Coast Guard 27, ND 14. 1-6

@ D.C United: Big, big win for DCU. 4 time champs, supremely conditioned. They win big at home. 56-21 1-7

Notre Dame's Fellowship of Christian Athletes flag football team: Home game that the Fellowship lays down for to pad the Domahs record. ND 45, NDFCA 24 2-7

Miami Dolphins: They're a fucking pro team. A bad one, but a pro team. Miami 63, ND 0. 2-8

@ West Canaan: Great crowd support, Wendell Brown rushes for 300+ yards and Jon Moxon airs it out a couple times to the ridiculous Randy Mo....err, I mean Charlie Tweeter. 45-35 WC 2-9

@ Washington: The Scourge of Humanity wants this one baddddddd....UW 21, ND 20. 2-10
 
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bkochmc;1001264; said:
Jimmy Chitwood hits 8 of 8 field goals.
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Too early in the season, Jimmy hasn't yet said, "Coach stays I play, Coach Goes, I go" Hickory still rolls.



How many ND fans would like to hear the same from Claussen?
 
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LordJeffBuck;1000402; said:
Here's my take on the talent issue at Notre Dame:

Who's the Real Culprit in the South Bend Massacre?
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That got ahead of the roster depth argument early in the season - then there was coaching left - perhaps someone should clue in Kevin White:

On the bright side, help could be on the way. The recruiting class Notre Dame is expected to sign in February is ranked No. 1 by Scout.com and Rivals.com.
And those players will be coached by the man who recruited them because - as Notre Dame Athletic Director Kevin White recently told the Sun-Times - "continuity of leadership is absolutely essential. "We can't restart this thing every couple of years. The seam we're in right now is a seam that was created by lack of continuity."
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Eh, yeah, right -it just couldn't be due to some other factor - like rank ineptitude at coaching college football?

this will always be remembered as the season in which Notre Dame . . .

? Lost to Navy for the first time in 44 years.
? Lost a school-record six consecutive home games.
? Lost to USC 38-0, its worst lost to the Trojans and second-worst loss at home.
? Lost to Michigan 38-0, matching its worst loss to the Wolverines.
? Lost to Air Force 41-24, its worst loss to a service academy since Navy defeated the Irish 35-14 in 1963. ? Lost nine games for the first time.
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That isn't a seam, it isn't a rent, it's a chasm - a gaping maw.
 
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Charlie just pointed out that Ntre Ame hasn't finished the season with 2 wins since 1992. That's something this team can accomplish.

Way to aim high with those goals: Beat Duke and Stanford to finish the season with a pair of wins, and not have to worry about playing a decent team in a bowl because you're 3-9!
 
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Apparently, Charlie has everyone buying the same...

In a 30-minute session with the Tribune, Notre Dame AD Kevin White reiterated his support of Irish coach Charlie Weis in what he called a "challenging, difficult, certainly disappointing" season?but one he expected with few upperclassmen, what White termed Notre Dame's "transitional seam." But White refused to say precisely how quickly fortunes must change before the school might make a change. Did "challenging" and "difficult" equate to 2-9? "We were inexperienced and underprepared at almost every position, compared to the most recent teams we had. So we knew there would be a learning curve, and there has been one heck of a learning curve." Does the "transitional seam" explain all of 2-9? You used the word underprepared ? "When I say unprepared, I'm not talking about coaching. I'm talking about player preparation. I just think kids were unprepared to play at this level, this quickly." What's your evaluation of Weis? "I wouldn't evaluate any of our coaches publicly. But do Charlie and I speak very candidly? Absolutely. We have a responsibility here at Notre Dame to get this football program back to where it needs to be. Nobody is shirking that responsibility." -- Chicago Tribune
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This was taken from FOX Sports on MSN - Rumors - Ben Maller's college sports rumors
 
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