Notre Dame (football only discussion)

[MililaniBuckeye]

Teo: Tackles: 103 Tackles For Loss: 5.5 Ints: 7 Sacks: 1.5
Shazier: Tackles: 116 Tackles For Loss: 17 Ints: 1 Sacks: 5

These stats show that Teo is dropping back into coverage where Shazier is attacking upfront more.

What are Teo's best selling points? Stats wise are his 7 ints. Nice, but not heisman worthy. In 1986 Spielman had 6 int along with 188 tackles.

A more comprehensive stat comparison:

PLAYER ... TKL .. TFL .. SCK .. INT .. FF .. FR .. PBU .. TD
Teo ...... 103 .. 5.5 .. 1.5 ... 7 .... 0 ... 1 .... 4 ... 0
Shazier .. 116 .. 17 ... 5.0 ... 1 .... 3 ... 0 ... 11 ... 1

At least three of Teo's INTs have been thrown right at him. Shazier's sole INT was due to his pre-snap read and subsequent reaction to the ball and resulted in a touchdown.

 

[ulukinatme]

Not discounting Shazier's performance this year as it's been excellent, just playing devil's advocate to Manti. When you're leading a top 3 defense and giving up so few points you're stalling more drives and shutting down opponents. I think that comes into play when you're considering the performance of a defense.

Te'o may be only sitting at 103 tackles for the year compared to 128 and 129 in the previous two years, but the next closest guy is only at 61. In previous years the #2 leading tackler amassed at least 90, with the 4th or 5th guy picking up 60. The drop off in tackles isn't due to a lack of performance on Manti's part, he's missed only a tackle or two all year compared to several in previous years. This defense just does a good job of getting off the field, averaging 8 less snaps a game than the previous two years. Thats pretty nice considering some of the good offenses the Irish have faced this year.

Now that I've played devil's advocate, do I think Manti deserves the award? No, probably not, at least given the recent track record of the Heisman. I will say that if it wasn't for Manti, this team wouldn't be undefeated this year. He's been a unifying force, a leader that Notre Dame has lacked for some time. Te'o has been instrumental along with coach Diaco in turning this defense around from the joke of college football to a legitimate threat. I think Braxton Miller or Collin Klein are more deserving to win than Manti...however when it comes down to Manti or Johnny Football, I have to go with Manti. The award is outlined as such: The outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Manziel doesn't cut it under the integrity qualification given his actions before the season. Then again, the integrity part has been less of a consideration in recent years given Reggie Bush and Cam Newton.

 

[BB73]

QFT, frmo Mili's link on the previous page.

These are the people who say they're rooting for Notre Dame because "they're a great story," which is what you say when you're a front-running douchebag.

Or media folks who like it when ND's good, because then they can write a story that will get some attention without having to put a lot of effort into it.

 

[OCBucksFan]

The Fighting Irish belong with the Red Sox, the Yankees, Twilight, Taylor Swift, and any other property that is artificially relevant because the media wastes so much fucking time telling you how relevant they are.

That's awesome!

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

However when it comes down to Manti or Johnny Football, I have to go with Manti. The award is outlined as such: The outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Manziel doesn't cut it under the integrity qualification given his actions before the season. Then again, the integrity part has been less of a consideration in recent years given Reggie Bush and Cam Newton.

Police reports state that Manziel was with a friend who directed a racial slur at a man on the street. The man then approached the two of them trying to get at the friend, but Manziel placed himself between the two men saying his friend didn't mean it and he was going to take him home. The man continued pushing against Manziel to reach the other, and eventually Manziel pushed back. At this point, the man swung at Manziel who then began fighting back. Shortly afterward, the bicycle patrol officers arrived. Manziel, who at the time was 19, presented a fake Louisiana driver?s license to police officers showing himself to be 21. Manziel was taken into custody and reportedly spent the night in jail.

To me, it sounds like he was a college kid, with a douchebag friend, and tried to do the right thing but things escalated.

Let me try:

ND has had one hell of a season, but their coach killed a kid. They should be disqualified from any post-season play.

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah, I saw Coach Kelly push that scissor lift over two years ago, that guy should be tried for murder. He should probably be convicted for the other 30 scissor lift deaths that happen each year too, someone needs to answer for those.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Yeah, I saw Coach Kelly push that scissor lift over two years ago, that guy should be tried for murder. He should probably be convicted for the other 30 scissor lift deaths that happen each year too, someone needs to answer for those.

Murder? No. Negligent manslaughter? Yes.

As for those 30 deaths a year. When a supervisor orders the soon to be deceased to stay up on the scissor lift in overwhelmingly dangerous conditions, then yes they are held accountable..............unless they're head domer.

 

[ulukinatme]

Murder? No. Negligent manslaughter? Yes.

As for those 30 deaths a year. When a supervisor orders the soon to be deceased to stay up on the scissor lift in overwhelmingly dangerous conditions, then yes they are held accountable..............unless they're head domer.

Which seems more likely: Kelly or Jack Swarbrick ordering the kid to stay up on the scissor lift in obvious overwhelmingly dangerous conditions, or something like this "The student managers at my college always ran the lift themselves. They reported to an athletic department staff member, but on a day-to-day basis they ran the lift without meaningful supervision." Kelly is the head coach at Notre Dame. Does it make sense for the video coordinators to report directly to him? Thats not to say that Kelly, Swarbrick, or someone else didn't commit negligent manslaugter, there was an obvious oversight. Here was part of Kelly's statement after the accident:

Declan, you know, quite frankly, I don't know if it's customary or not, but the head coach usually doesn't come in contact on a day-to-day basis with a lot of videographers. They come in and we leave. Our time never really syncs up where we get a chance to spend much time. But I got a chance to meet Declan and know him because of all the time he spent in our office, especially this summer. As you know, he was a lover of film and writing. He was a great writer. I've got great memories of him just being in the film and video offices, putting things together secretive on most occasions. I'd look over his shoulder. I pass that on because this one hurts because, again, in my 20 years I don't know that I've had maybe a dozen people, student workers, that I knew. I knew Declan.

Regardless of who was in charge of the video coordinators, I'm pretty sure 2 years ago I called for Kelly, or Swarbrick, or someone needed to be punished and step down as a result of this, so I've already said my piece. Today I still feel for that family, they were victims of an accident and will never have their son back. Nothing good could come of this, except maybe increased awareness of scissor lift safety nationally and a change in policy to help prevent it ever occurring again.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Which seems more likely: Kelly or Jack Swarbrick ordering the kid to stay up on the scissor lift in obvious overwhelmingly dangerous conditions, or something like this "The student managers at my college always ran the lift themselves. They reported to an athletic department staff member, but on a day-to-day basis they ran the lift without meaningful supervision." Kelly is the head coach at Notre Dame. Does it make sense for the video coordinators to report directly to him? Thats not to say that Kelly, Swarbrick, or someone else didn't commit negligent manslaugter, there was an obvious oversight. Here was part of Kelly's statement after the accident:

Kelly and Swarbrick were both present and were the only two people on that field who could have called off the practice . At best, they were grossly negligent to the point that a student was killed as a result. At worst, they were criminally negligent. Either way, both should have been fired within days. That they weren't speaks volumes to the mind-numbingly arrogant and morally warped culture in South Bend.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Which seems more likely: Kelly or Jack Swarbrick ordering the kid to stay up on the scissor lift in obvious overwhelmingly dangerous conditions, or something like this "The student managers at my college always ran the lift themselves. They reported to an athletic department staff member, but on a day-to-day basis they ran the lift without meaningful supervision." Kelly is the head coach at Notre Dame. Does it make sense for the video coordinators to report directly to him? Thats not to say that Kelly, Swarbrick, or someone else didn't commit negligent manslaugter, there was an obvious oversight. Here was part of Kelly's statement after the accident:




Regardless of who was in charge of the video coordinators, I'm pretty sure 2 years ago I called for Kelly, or Swarbrick, or someone needed to be punished and step down as a result of this, so I've already said my piece. Today I still feel for that family, they were victims of an accident and will never have their son back. Nothing good could come of this, except maybe increased awareness of scissor lift safety nationally and a change in policy to help prevent it ever occurring again.

Ohio had those very same conditions that day and Tressel cancelled outdoor practices and moved them inside. No way Kelly couldn't have done the same...

 

[ulukinatme]

Ohio had those very same conditions that day and Tressel cancelled outdoor practices and moved them inside. No way Kelly couldn't have done the same...

I agree. No one at Notre Dame, Kelly included, thought about the videographers that day and they failed to consider moving practice inside. It proved to be a costly mistake. It was good that Tressel had the common sense and foresight to make the switch.

 

[JBaney45]

Kelly and Swarbrick were both present and were the only two people on that field who could have called off the practice . At best, they were grossly negligent to the point that a student was killed as a result. At worst, they were criminally negligent. Either way, both should have been fired within days. That they weren't speaks volumes to the mind-numbingly arrogant and morally warped culture in South Bend.

Not the only recent incident to hold against this shithole of an institution:

http://ncronline.org/news/accountab...tre-dame-campus-leaves-more-questions-answers

 

[BB73]

Nothing good could come of this, except maybe increased awareness of scissor lift safety nationally and a change in policy to help prevent it ever occurring again.

Scissor-lift accidents at James Madison in the mid-90s and at Colorado State in 2000 should have increased awareness enough so that athletic departments had policies on using them in windy conditions. Athletic Departments that most members of this board aren't fond of (PSU and TSUN) both had policies that scissor-lifts shouldn't be used when winds exceed 28 mph. Those precedents are why Swarbrick was indeed negligent. His quotes about "only being there for 5 minutes" and blaming it on "a gust" when South Bend was under a wind advisory for the entire afternoon were pathetic attempts at deflecting blame from himself and ND.

Swarbrick and Kelly both should have lost their jobs. Now that they're 12-0, that surely won't happen.

 

[Jaxbuck]

PSU sacrificed an untold number of children to a sexual predator in the name of football wins. Notre Dame has sacrificed at least two that we know of for a return to football relevancy after a 30 some odd year absence.

It's really hard for me to understand how rational thinking adults can condone that type of behavior from the University they supposedly care so much about. I was ready to cut ties with OSU if they kept Tressel after he was caught lying to the NCAA, these people are willing to overlook murder and rape.

Say what you will about the SEC, at the end of the day its recruiting violations. They have nothing on this kind of moral corruption and sickness.

So I see people on here debating rooting for the SEC team or ND like it's actually a question and I am again confused. The SEC is annoying, PSU/ND are fucking evil.

 

[Bucknut24]

PSU sacrificed an untold number of children to a sexual predator in the name of football wins. Notre Dame has sacrificed at least two that we know of for a return to football relevancy after a 30 some odd year absence.

It's really hard for me to understand how rational thinking adults can condone that type of behavior from the University they supposedly care so much about. I was ready to cut ties with OSU if they kept Tressel after he was caught lying to the NCAA, these people are willing to overlook murder and rape.

Say what you will about the SEC, at the end of the day its recruiting violations. They have nothing on this kind of moral corruption and sickness.

So I see people on here debating rooting for the SEC team or ND like it's actually a question and I am again confused. The SEC is annoying, PSU/ND are fucking evil.

I agree 100000%, I told everyone if OSU were to ever be found of what PSU did or anything like that, I was done with them, would never root for them ever again