ulukinatme;643469; said:Yeah, but what other team gets the shaft when it comes to voting time this year? ND keeps winning week after week since the Michigan game, and despite teams losing ahead of them, they're not going anywhere or slipping. Look at Tennessee for example, they win a close game against a 3 loss Alabama team and move up because they "show grit" or whatever, ND wins a close one against 3 loss UCLA and move down? UT is a better team this year and all, but they almost lost to an Air Force team early in the season. Aside from Georgia Tech, who the heck has Clemson played this season? USC has had close games week after week, against teams like Washington no less. I think USC did slip a spot last week to Michigan, I expect the voters want to see the #1 vs. #2 matchup at the end of the season with OSU and UM.
Anyway, I'm not expecting to still be #2 here or anything, but other 1 loss teams have gotten the benefit of the doubt here and moved back up after teams lose ahead of them. Auburn lost by 17 points to then unranked Arkansas, they're back up to #7 now. Arkansas got destroyed by USC at the beginning of the season by 36 points, they're #13 now and the voters seemed to have forgotten about that loss as they keep winning.
OK, let's think about that. Your case essentially is based on an argument about beginning of the season rankings and dropping from there.
First, let's remember that it is a proven fact that your team is the most over-rated in the rankings, year in and year out, of any other team. That is an objective fact and preseason rankings are no place from which to start a serious conversation.
Second, in the second part of your argument is that there is an implied bias against Notre Dame. With all due respect, that is about as rich as it gets! See the first paragraph above.
However, let's be objective about this. Here's a good site where all of the computer rankings are averaged, so there can be quibbling about the virtues of one computer guy over another. We'll remove that bias from our discussion by averaging 98 computer rankings. We'll also remove the argument of a world out to get Notre Dame. http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm.
What do we observe?
- Florida's is ranked in a range from #3 to #21 and at the average of #4
- Clemson's ranks are in a range from #2 to #22 and average at #13.
- Notre Dame's ranks are in a range from #5 to #30 and average at #14.
And is currently over-rated in the human polls.
How much better is Florida and Clemson? Take a good look at Sagarin's predictor ranking, which is the one that predicts actual winning and winning margins best. Clemson is #5, Florida is #10, and Notre Dame is #30. Clemson is a 13 point favorite, and Florida is a 10 point favorite, over Notre Dame on a neutral field.
Notre Dame is a twenty point underdog to Ohio State on a neutral field, even after Charlie tries to run in every point he can and Tressel instructs his team taking the knee in the red zone at game's end time after time.
Notre Dame did not deserve to be in a BCS bowl last year. They don't deserve to be in a BCS bowl this year. If they get into a decent bowl, they will lose.
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