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Notre Dame (football only discussion)

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Saw some clips of the UM-ND game, and ND's defense is horrible. On several plays, Te'o was getting his [censored] kicked by Omameh. I'm sorry, but if the leader of your defense is getting absolutely housed by a player the caliber of Omameh, you shouldn't be expecting much out of this season.
 
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buckeyesin07;1772393; said:
Saw some clips of the UM-ND game, and ND's defense is horrible. On several plays, Te'o was getting his [censored] kicked by Omameh. I'm sorry, but if the leader of your defense is getting absolutely housed by a player the caliber of Omameh, you shouldn't be expecting much out of this season.
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...and Omameh was pretty bad against uconn...
 
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buckeyesin07;1772399; said:
If UM beat ND at home, I don't see how ND wins at MSU. Then again, UM was the beneficiary of ND being without Crist for most of the game.
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exactly. the offense just moved better as a whole with him in. the running backs gained more yards, the receivers were open more and the line blocked better. it was a total momentum shift when crist went out. i think that the irish would have won had he played the entire game. as for the game that happened, this loss was completely on kelly for not kicking the field goal at the end of the first half. they could have tied it up at the end.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1770746; said:
Reason #1 why the domers want no part of a Big Ten schedule. Over the last twenty years (and four coaches), they are 33-27-1 against Big Ten teams.
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that's possible, but i think disagree. although the big ten would be a tough schedule, you have to look at the big picture. notre dame plays um, purdue and msu every year and they are all rivals. those teams are in the middle of the big ten and occasionally near the top. they aren't played perennial doormats like northwestern, indiana, minnesota, and illinios. i have to think that if notre dame played against three of these teams every year their record would be significantly better.

i have said for years now that i would love notre dame to join the big ten. it would give them conference and schedule strength, as well as remove the stigma of "notre dame never plays anybody." i agree with that stigma to an extent and don't like seeing them schedule teams like tulsa and army every year. i would much rather have them face a tough big ten schedule than some of the teams they currently play. on the other hand however, osu and notre dame played 5 games against the same teams last year, so you could make the argument that they had a tougher schedule than usual.

as far as notre not wanting to join a conference, to me, it's a simple matter of economics. yes, they would get revenues from the bowl games that other big ten teams went to and would get money from the big ten network. however, i think that their main purpose for staying independent (and their biggest recruiting tool) is having a national tv contract. it makes a big difference when a coach can go into a young man's living room and tell him that he will be seen every week by a national audience. no other team can say that and it is one reason why notre dame pulls in recruits.
 
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A Pac;1772415; said:
that's possible, but i think disagree. although the big ten would be a tough schedule, you have to look at the big picture. notre dame plays um, purdue and msu every year and they are all rivals. those teams are in the middle of the big ten and occasionally near the top. they aren't played perennial doormats like northwestern, indiana, minnesota, and illinios. i have to think that if notre dame played against three of these teams every year their record would be significantly better.

i have said for years now that i would love notre dame to join the big ten. it would give them conference and schedule strength, as well as remove the stigma of "notre dame never plays anybody." i agree with that stigma to an extent and don't like seeing them schedule teams like tulsa and army every year. i would much rather have them face a tough big ten schedule than some of the teams they currently play. on the other hand however, osu and notre dame played 5 games against the same teams last year, so you could make the argument that they had a tougher schedule than usual.

as far as notre not wanting to join a conference, to me, it's a simple matter of economics. yes, they would get revenues from the bowl games that other big ten teams went to and would get money from the big ten network. however, i think that their main purpose for staying independent (and their biggest recruiting tool) is having a national tv contract. it makes a big difference when a coach can go into a young man's living room and tell him that he will be seen every week by a national audience. no other team can say that and it is one reason why notre dame pulls in recruits.
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Here are your points:

Notre Dame plays Big Ten teams already. Yes, they do. Are you arguing that Army and Air Force are perennially better than the Big Ten teams you mention? Are you forgetting that Ohio State and Penn State also would be on that schedule? The point is that they are not faring well against them and that if they played in the conference instead of against the lightweights that they schedule late in the season, then things might be even worse.

Independence gives them a national TV contract. I think that is a good point. However, it is a diminishing advantage in a quickly changing media environment. The demise of network TV is not Notre Dame's friend. If the Big Ten cuts them off, they will soon find that they have to travel far and wide and that it costs in money and player fatigue to do that.
 
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If the Big Ten really wants Notre Dame they should force the issue and stop "empowering" them by not scheduling them. Notre Dame wants it both ways. They want Independence but the big draw of Big Ten games.
Time to "force' Notre Dame's hand.
 
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Steve19;1772424; said:
Here are your points:

Notre Dame plays Big Ten teams already. Yes, they do. Are you arguing that Army and Air Force are perennially better than the Big Ten teams you mention? Are you forgetting that Ohio State and Penn State also would be on that schedule? The point is that they are not faring well against them and that if they played in the conference instead of against the lightweights that they schedule late in the season, then things might be even worse.

Independence gives them a national TV contract. I think that is a good point. However, it is a diminishing advantage in a quickly changing media environment. The demise of network TV is not Notre Dame's friend. If the Big Ten cuts them off, they will soon find that they have to travel far and wide and that it costs in money and player fatigue to do that.
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sorry i should have been more clear. i don't think that army and navy are better than some teams, i was simply trying to say that their record would be better if they played against these teams rather than army, tulsa and others. the irish's record against teams of that caliber has been good over the past 20 years. i didn't mean to put those big ten teams on the same level as the teams nd plays every year. i actually would like to the see the irish play penn state or osu every year. it would make them look better in the national eye.

i agree about the rise of televised games on the national level though. with entire networks and dish packages dedicated to showing all the games nationally, it is getting tougher for notre dame. it used to their best asset and probably still is. however, it has become watered down in the past years, especially with them not being a contender.
 
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