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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

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cincibuck;1002465; said:
.. and a significant rift between many Catholic colleges and the American Bishops, who want more say re; academic freedom.
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God help BC, ND and GT if the Bishops seize academic control. This is the same group who just told me that if I don't vote the way the pope wants me to, I'm going to hell--not exactly the group to nurture academic freedom and quality.
 
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Best Buckeye;1003164; said:
Everyone in the world knows that Charlie is not a good College coach.
That being said keep in mind that he is smart enough to become one and that ND will give him 2 or 3 years to see if he can. Will you sing his praises then?
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Not sure that he gets 3 years. I think he needs to show significant improvement next year, or he's gone. While the Willingham excuse is ridiculous now, next year it will be pure nonsense. My hunch is that he needs to get to a bowl next year and get to a BCS bowl in '09. Anything less, and they run him.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1003259; said:
Not sure that he gets 3 years. I think he needs to show significant improvement next year, or he's gone. While the Willingham excuse is ridiculous now, next year it will be pure nonsense. My hunch is that he needs to get to a bowl next year and get to a BCS bowl in '09. Anything less, and they run him.
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I don't know. I think ND has gotten themselves into the situation we were in with Coop. You can only burn through so many coaches before their very close fraternity puts a big fat "undesireable job" label on your program. If ND isn't already there, they are playing with fire if they boot another one inside of 5 years.

Also, coaches are going to start wondering what is it about ND thats causing a lot of well respected coaches to fall flat on their face. Ty and Davie were and are well respected by their peers, a lot of guys said no thanks during the last search. All that tells me is that the questions about the overall appeal of ND is not being questioned by just the unwashed message board masses.

They fire hevy Weisen and their next coaching search is going to be an even bigger embarrassment for them than this last one imo. No big names will come on board and I don't know that they can lower themselves to take a chance on a lesser known up and comer.

I think they are weded to their very large bride for the next 3 at a minimum and then he'll pull a Coop and not suck just enough where they end up keeping him much longer than they want to.
 
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Jaxbuck;1003267; said:
I don't know. I think ND has gotten themselves into the situation we were in with Coop. You can only burn through so many coaches before their very close fraternity puts a big fat "undesireable job" label on your program. If ND isn't already there, they are playing with fire if they boot another one inside of 5 years.

Also, coaches are going to start wondering what is it about ND thats causing a lot of well respected coaches to fall flat on their face. Ty and Davie were and are well respected by their peers, a lot of guys said no thanks during the last search. All that tells me is that the questions about the overall appeal of ND is not being questioned by just the unwashed message board masses.

They fire hevy Weisen and their next coaching search is going to be an even bigger embarrassment for them than this last one imo. No big names will come on board and I don't know that they can lower themselves to take a chance on a lesser known up and comer.

I think they are weded to their very large bride for the next 3 at a minimum and then he'll pull a Coop and not suck just enough where they end up keeping him much longer than they want to.
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Excellent point JaxBuck -

Ohio State suffered through this when they became (before Hayes) known as the graveyard of coaches.

Nebraska is definitely suffering through this now with the Solich through Callahan through who knows whom turnstile.

Even 'SC had their troubles and was viewed as teetering close to that edge before PC came over the hill to save their day.

That kind of stigmatic label, it can happen anywhere really. Plus, there is the broadcasting contract money on the table at each renegotiation with NBC. That can further distort the normal response of the AD to less than ideal coaching.

All the agreement aside though, if Weis coughs up another hairball next year it will be very, very hard for ND to consider him a keeper. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
 
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The Irish schedule next year...

9/6 SAN DIEGO STATE
9/13 MICHIGAN
9/20 @ Michigan State
9/27 PURDUE
10/4 STANFORD
10/11 @ North Carolina
10/18 Open Date
10/25 @ Washington
11/1 PITTSBURGH
11/8 @ Boston College
11/15 @ Navy (Baltimore)
11/22 SYRACUSE
11/29 @ USC

I'd be pretty surprised if they don't make a bowl game next year. The schedule isn't nearly as tough and they only have to reach 6-6 (they better watch out for OPEN DATE, bound to give them a hell of a challenge). Of course, the way they have struggled this year makes me wonder.

If they don't make a bowl, I'm guessing CW is gone no matter what the ramifications
 
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This thread seems fitting...

I was born in Troy Ohio, I come from a long line of Buckeye alumni, most of my family bleeds scarlet and gray in a way that most will not understand. My grandfather thinks of Michigan as a foreign fucking country, all of that said...

WHY THE FUCK IS MY MOM A NTRE AME FAN? I got crap today about our schedule, and how we couldn't beat Illinois.. what the fuck is up with that?

We're not Catholic

We are German, not Irish.

Sure, we drink a lot but what the hell?

My niece is currently at tOSU, my family can usually get any of us into there. My brother, I can accept, but my mom? WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU BE BORN IN OHIO AND LIKE NOTRE-FUCKING-DAME?

Ok, rant over.
 
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sandgk;1003276; said:
All the agreement aside though, if Weis coughs up another hairball next year it will be very, very hard for ND to consider him a keeper. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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Oh I agree 100%. He spits the bit to the tune of anything less than 6-6 next year and they just might be forced to do it. Like you said at this point they are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

It just breaks my heart.:wink2:
 
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OCBucksFan;1003491; said:
WHY THE FUCK IS MY MOM A NTRE AME FAN? I got crap today about our schedule, and how we couldn't beat Illinois.. what the fuck is up with that?
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Give your mom shit about how Notre Dame couldn't beat Navy...oh yeah, and their 2-9 record, too.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1003506; said:
Give your mom shit about how Notre Dame couldn't beat Navy...oh yeah, and their 2-9 record, too.
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I did that, the thing is she's talking about next year and how Davie/Willingham set this year uo for failure and really won't hear a word I say when I go "your fucking freshmen could have won against Navy...." No, they are the worst kind of Domer fans :(
 
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OCBucksFan;1003512; said:
I did that, the thing is she's talking about next year and how Davie/Willingham set this year uo for failure and really won't hear a word I say when I go "your fucking freshmen could have won against Navy...." No, they are the worst kind of Domer fans :(
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Send her to an old age home.

Threaten the rest of them with the same if they don't fall into line.

Remember the wisdom of Richard Nixon: Get them by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow.
 
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BuckeyeBill;1003330; said:
The Irish schedule next year...

9/6 SAN DIEGO STATE
9/13 MICHIGAN
9/20 @ Michigan State
9/27 PURDUE
10/4 STANFORD
10/11 @ North Carolina
10/18 Open Date
10/25 @ Washington
11/1 PITTSBURGH
11/8 @ Boston College
11/15 @ Navy (Baltimore)
11/22 SYRACUSE
11/29 @ USC

I'd be pretty surprised if they don't make a bowl game next year. The schedule isn't nearly as tough and they only have to reach 6-6 (they better watch out for OPEN DATE, bound to give them a hell of a challenge). Of course, the way they have struggled this year makes me wonder.

If they don't make a bowl, I'm guessing CW is gone no matter what the ramifications
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OPEN DATE?! LOL!
 
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SNIPER26;1006371; said:
My buddy (an ND fan) sends me this gem after last night's huge W over Stanford via text...

" First time we ended with two wins in a row since '92!!!! 13-0 next year! "

I'm out of words to describe ND fans...
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I'm not.

They act like they're hot stuff all the time.

HEY, NOTRE DAME!! THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY! JOIN THE REST OF COLLEGE FOOYBALL!

STOP LIVING ON YOUR NAME AND PAST!

KNUTE ROCKNE IS NOT CRAWLING THROUGH THAT DOOR!

I met an Irish fan once... I wish I could go into a time machine and erase that very moment from my existence.
 
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