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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

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Jaxbuck;2325552; said:
When the Domers find a Buckeye player that can outdo Manti Teo in full frontal stupidity I'll listen.

Till then they can have a nice cool refreshing cup of Kekua and shut the fuck up.
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Hell... I'll just wait till they win a fucking post season game. One would think two decades nil would close some of those perty traps.
 
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muffler dragon;2326025; said:
Hell... I'll just wait till they win a fucking post season game. One would think two decades nil would close some of those perty traps.
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2010/12/31 Notre Dame 33 - Miami FL 17 W !! Sun Bowl !!
2008/12/24 Notre Dame 49 - Hawaii 21 W !! Hawaii Bowl !!

You probably meant a BCS post season game.
 
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Steve19;2325518; said:
Notre Dame fans often point to graduation rankings, which place Notre Dame in the top ten programs. However, graduation rates do not accurately reflect academic progress. This is particularly true for a program, such as Ohio State, that has many players drafted for professional sports. For this reason, the NCAA developed the Acacdemic Progress Report (APR) metric as a more accurate representation of academic quality of sports programs.

The APR is the official measure by which the NCAA are managing academic quality and results for all sports and teams can be searched at the NCAA website (link).

So, where do Notre Dame and the B1G schools upon which they seem to look down upon really rank on APR?

The APR results for The Ohio State University football team (988, #9) once again place Ohio State in the top ten, ranked ahead of Princeton, Harvard, Columbia, Yale, Cornell, and Stanford, among others.

Formal publication of APR results has embarrassed the Notre Dame football team. In the current rankings, Notre Dame (970, #51) is ranked outside the top 50, well below Appalachian State, Texas Christian, Miami (Florida), Middle Tennessee State, and Clemson, among others.

The B1G (960) and ACC (961) changed places in the current (April, 2012) rankings, as the two best conferences. Adding Rutgers (980) and Maryland (930) will not materially affect the B1G conference APR.

Notre Dame would rank 7th in the ACC.




Notre Dame would rank 6th place in the B1G, behind Northwestern, Ohio State, Rutgers, Wisconsin, and Penn State.



However, we should give credit where credit is due. Notre Dame would tie with Alabama and Georgia for 3rd place in the SEC.



TSUN, the other arrogant program that thinks it has bragging rights on academics, is ranked #145.

So, while Notre Dame fans can take pride in their graduation rate, the true academic quality of their program would rank no better than 3rd in the SEC.
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Steve, got some honest questions about the Academic Progress Rate, I've never really looked into it much. I knew schools could hit sanctions if they fell below the 925 level, but that was about the extent of my knowledge on the subject. According to the Wiki, "It is a composite team measurement based upon how individual team members do academically," however APR is calculated like this: "Each student-athlete receiving athletically related financial aid earns one retention point for staying in school and one eligibility point for being academically eligible. A team?s total points are divided by the points possible and then multiplied by one thousand to equal the team?s Academic Progress Rate score." So, if you have 85 athletes on scholarship, all 85 stay in school, but 4 are academically ineligible, then you have 976 (81+85 / 85 + 85).

I'm wondering if transfers affect the figure for each student athlete remaining in school here. Notre Dame typically doesn't have many athletes academically ineligible, maybe a couple each quarter if that, but they've had a good number of transfers. Something doesn't jive if the APR is calculated by athletes remaining in school and being academically eligible, yet Notre Dame is graduating near the top. You would think that the graduation rates would come close or mirror the APR.
 
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ulukinatme;2326426; said:
Steve, got some honest questions about the Academic Progress Rate, I've never really looked into it much. I knew schools could hit sanctions if they fell below the 925 level, but that was about the extent of my knowledge on the subject. According to the Wiki, "It is a composite team measurement based upon how individual team members do academically," however APR is calculated like this: "Each student-athlete receiving athletically related financial aid earns one retention point for staying in school and one eligibility point for being academically eligible. A team?s total points are divided by the points possible and then multiplied by one thousand to equal the team?s Academic Progress Rate score." So, if you have 85 athletes on scholarship, all 85 stay in school, but 4 are academically ineligible, then you have 976 (81+85 / 85 + 85).

I'm wondering if transfers affect the figure for each student athlete remaining in school here. Notre Dame typically doesn't have many athletes academically ineligible, maybe a couple each quarter if that, but they've had a good number of transfers. Something doesn't jive if the APR is calculated by athletes remaining in school and being academically eligible, yet Notre Dame is graduating near the top. You would think that the graduation rates would come close or mirror the APR.
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The answers are available at the NCAA site. Briefly, teams are not penalized for transfers, provided that the students are in good academic standing when they leave.
 
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Steve19;2326963; said:
The answers are available at the NCAA site. Briefly, teams are not penalized for transfers, provided that the students are in good academic standing when they leave.
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Thanks. I saw in 2005 I think Notre Dame's APR was as low as the 950s, which is crazy. I was messing around with math last night, but I think that came out to 8 exceptions. So, that would be like...8 guys on academic suspension, or 4 guys that were on academic suspension and then dropped out, something along those lines. Like I said, we typically don't have more than a few guys in bad standing at any time, and the graduation rate is excellent, so it's hard to figure out whats causing the poor APR scores. Can't refute the numbers, but I'm curious why ours are low.

I did see this: "Furthermore, it is not always relevant to compare APR scores across universities because the academic rigors between universities differ. For example, at some high performing academic universities freshman struggle with eligibility because the workload is hard to deal with initially, but in the end, those students find academic success." Interestingly enough I took a look at Stanford's APR and they're hitting the 977 range right now, but it's been dipping the last 6 years. It was at it's highest in 2005 at 995, a very good score, but it slowly dipped into the 980s and then the 970s since then where it's stayed over the last 3 years. The Harbaugh effect?
 
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I guess they would rather get whacked by Florida State rather than by Arizona State and Arizona State is not happy about that.
This week, it was reported that Florida State would host Notre Dame during the 2014 season -- the Fighting Irish's first as partial ACC members. The school's scheduling agreement with the ACC could lead to Arizona State getting dropped from the 2014 schedule.

Reports surfaced this month that Arizona State might get dropped from Notre Dame's 2014 schedule, but nothing has been made official at this point. The Fighting Irish and Sun Devils are scheduled to play in Tempe on Oct. 25, 2014. However, Arizona State athletic director Steve Patterson said Notre Dame has expressed interest in making a change to the schools' agreement. Patterson described the situation on 910 AM in Phoenix on Wednesday.

"The school didn't have the courtesy to have the athletic director [Jack Swarbrick] call the athletic director at ASU to discuss it," Patterson said. "They had their PR guy call [ASU's media relations office] to give us a message Friday afternoon while everybody was out of town at the Final Four."
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...py-with-possible-notre-dame-game-cancellation
 
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http://espn.go.com/college-football...-notre-dame-fighting-irish-football-deal-2025



NBC's Notre Dame deal extended


Updated: April 18, 2013, 2:50 PM ET
Associated Press

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- NBC Sports Group announced a 10-year contract extension to televise Notre Dame football games Thursday, doubling the length of its previous agreement.

NBC and Notre Dame said the extension would begin in 2016 and run through the 2025 season. The contract, reportedly worth $15 million annually for football, had never run for more than five years.

NBC will have global media rights on all platforms to a minimum of seven Notre Dame home football games each year, with most airing on the main NBC network. It also allows for games to be carried on the NBC Sports Network cable channel.

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$15m? That's it?!

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Dryden;2330089; said:
http://espn.go.com/college-football...-notre-dame-fighting-irish-football-deal-2025





$15m? That's it?!

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$15m would be a little surprising given thats what they were getting the last 5 years even when football was bad. The "sources" were from ESPN, so you can expect a lot of fact checking there. The numbers haven't been released yet on the actual deal, but it's figured to be a little higher than the previous deal. ND ended up playing in 5 of the top 15 watched primetime games last season.
 
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ulukinatme;2330557; said:
$15m would be a little surprising given thats what they were getting the last 5 years even when football was bad. The "sources" were from ESPN, so you can expect a lot of fact checking there. The numbers haven't been released yet on the actual deal, but it's figured to be a little higher than the previous deal. ND ended up playing in 5 of the top 15 watched primetime games last season.
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You're not going to have another phony feel-good story about a highly-overrated player like you did in Manti Te'o, nor an undefeated regular season, to drive the ratings...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2330560; said:
You're not going to have another phony feel-good story about a highly-overrated player like you did in Manti Te'o, nor an undefeated regular season, to drive the ratings...
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Of course, can't argue any of that. I don't expect lightning to strike twice this season, there will be at least a couple losses, and the fake girlfriend story has been milked already.
 
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