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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

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To be honest, both Heistand and Warriner are great coaches, I've been very happy with both. I really believe that Warriner, with the help of our strength and conditioning coach, started getting our O-line back to a decent college level. You can see how Notre Dame's offense slowly improved their running game the first couple years under Kelly. Warriner then left, and he did great things to get the Bucks back on top. Under Heistand the offense did 400 more yards rushing this year, but the average yards per run only went up by .05 yards a play, so a lot of that was just running the ball on more plays and having a semi more mobile QB (Golson added 298 of those yards).
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2325441; said:
I wonder what his sources are for his claim "with FAR easier admissions at OSU", other than typical Domer arrogance...
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i recall a wsj article a handful of years ago. the publication compiled the wonderlic scores from the previous seven administrations during the combine, with the considered programs being only those that had a minimum number drafted. the average score for the general public is about a 21. the notre dame players averaged 22, with ohio state averaging 20, ttun averaging 21, and penn state averaging slightly below osu.

is the average player on the notre dame team smarter than the average ohio state player? probably. is the well above-average player (you know, the player that ends up getting drafted) on the notre dame team smarter than the well above-average ohio state player? if he is, the difference is likely negligible.
 
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ulukinatme;2325442; said:
To be honest, both Heistand and Warriner are great coaches, I've been very happy with both. I really believe that Warriner, with the help of our strength and conditioning coach, started getting our O-line back to a decent college level. You can see how Notre Dame's offense slowly improved their running game the first couple years under Kelly. Warriner then left, and he did great things to get the Bucks back on top. Under Heistand the offense did 400 more yards rushing this year, but the average yards per run only went up by .05 yards a play, so a lot of that was just running the ball on more plays and having a semi more mobile QB (Golson added 298 of those yards).
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Perfectly diplomatic answer. Now what do you really think?
 
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APR facts for your delusional Domer fan friends

Notre Dame fans often point to graduation rankings, which place Notre Dame in the top ten programs. However, graduation rates do not accurately reflect academic progress. This is particularly true for a program, such as Ohio State, that has many players drafted for professional sports. For this reason, the NCAA developed the Acacdemic Progress Report (APR) metric as a more accurate representation of academic quality of sports programs.

The APR is the official measure by which the NCAA are managing academic quality and results for all sports and teams can be searched at the NCAA website (link).

So, where do Notre Dame and the B1G schools upon which they seem to look down upon really rank on APR?

The APR results for The Ohio State University football team (988, #9) once again place Ohio State in the top ten, ranked ahead of Princeton, Harvard, Columbia, Yale, Cornell, and Stanford, among others.

Formal publication of APR results has embarrassed the Notre Dame football team. In the current rankings, Notre Dame (970, #51) is ranked outside the top 50, well below Appalachian State, Texas Christian, Miami (Florida), Middle Tennessee State, and Clemson, among others.

The B1G (960) and ACC (961) changed places in the current (April, 2012) rankings, as the two best conferences. Adding Rutgers (980) and Maryland (930) will not materially affect the B1G conference APR.

Notre Dame would rank 7th in the ACC.

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Notre Dame would rank 6th place in the B1G, behind Northwestern, Ohio State, Rutgers, Wisconsin, and Penn State.

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However, we should give credit where credit is due. Notre Dame would tie with Alabama and Georgia for 3rd place in the SEC.

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TSUN, the other arrogant program that thinks it has bragging rights on academics, is ranked #145.

So, while Notre Dame fans can take pride in their graduation rate, the true academic quality of their program would rank no better than 3rd in the SEC.

Oh, and just in case your friends go there, here are the NFL draft results for both teams (Ohio State, Notre Dame):

Ohio State has had 52% more players drafted than Notre Dame during the last 15 years:


  • Ohio State - ---90 players drafted
  • Notre Dame ---59 players drafted
Even with all of the negative press and NCAA sanctions, Ohio State has had 44% more players drafted than Notre Dame during the last 3 years:

  • Ohio State - ---13 players drafted
  • Notre Dame ---09 players drafted
 
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ant80;2325435; said:
Resigned acceptance...?
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Mostly started out "who cares about some 3* LAX player?" and ended up mostly feeling it was inevitable because they had expended a lot of slots for similar kids in the past.

A (former?) ND LAX player was the primary one tracking Hubbard's recruitment and was very high Sam. He also viewed the potential of Sam playing LAX in Columbus as being the worst possible outcome. :lol: He didn't come across as a raving lunatic, just a guy who views the Buckeyes as their primary LAX rival (is there some history there?).

ant80;2325439; said:
Just saw that now... :biggrin: For some reason their server wouldn't let me post again. Giving me an internal server error. I wonder if I've been banned... would be funny if I am.
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Wouldn't surprise me a bit. ND boards are notorious for going to great lengths to keep their echo chamber pristine.
 
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OSU_Buckguy;2325449; said:
i recall a wsj article a handful of years ago. the publication compiled the wonderlic scores from the previous seven administrations during the combine, with the considered programs being only those that had a minimum number drafted. the average score for the general public is about a 21. the notre dame players averaged 22, with ohio state averaging 20, ttun averaging 21, and penn state averaging slightly below osu.

is the average player on the notre dame team smarter than the average ohio state player? probably. is the well above-average player (you know, the player that ends up getting drafted) on the notre dame team smarter than the well above-average ohio state player? if he is, the difference is likely negligible.
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According to SI:

Top 10
1. Stanford 31.5
2. Oregon 28.6
3. Michigan 28
4. BYU 27
5. (t) Ohio State 26.5
5. (t) Virginia 26.5
6. Washington 26.4
7. Notre Dame 25.25
8. USC 24.6
9. LSU 24.5

Bottom 3
Tennessee 18.8
Miami 18.2
Kansas State 17

Looks like HuskerMax compiled the table from the WSJ article:
1. Stanford 28.8
2. Purdue 25.3
3. BYU 25.2
3. California 25.2
5. UCLA 24.0
6. Oregon 23.5
7. Wisconsin 23.2
8. Iowa 23.0
9. Oregon State 22.8
10. Nebraska 22.6
11. Notre Dame 22.5
12. Boston College 22.0
13. Colorado 21.8
14. Michigan 21.7
15. Virginia 21.5
16. Texas A&M 21.0
17. Florida 20.8
17. Ohio State 20.8
19. Penn State 20.7
19. Va. Tech 20.7
21. Southern Cal 20.3
21. W. Virginia 20.3
23. Arizona St. 20.2
24. Kansas State 19.8
24. Georgia 19.8
26. Texas 19.7
27. N.C. State 19.6
28. Florida St. 19.4
29. Oklahoma 19.0
30. North Carolina 18.9
31. Arkansas 18.6
32. Auburn 18.5
32. LSU 18.5
34. Clemson 18.3
35. Alabama 18.2
36. S. Carolina 17.9
37. Tennessee 17.7
38. Michigan St. 16.6
39. Miami (Fla.) 16.3

The WSJ story is from 2005 and appears to cover players from 99-05. So the tail end of the Cooper years would have been heavily represented. The SI article was printed in 2011 but not sure what years it was using for it's numbers.

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When the Domers find a Buckeye player that can outdo Manti Teo in full frontal stupidity I'll listen.

Till then they can have a nice cool refreshing cup of Kekua and shut the fuck up.
 
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ant80;2325429; said:
I've been looking at Notre Dame forums, Irishenvy mostly (which rips off a lot of BP features, and is, IMO, a poor man's BP for the domers), and I get the general impression that they aren't quite satisfied with their 2014 recruiting. A lot of posts dedicated to how they should've been on Jebrill Peppers, Malik McDowell and a few other recruits, and they haven't. It's much worse this year than it has been last year, I swear. Reading their dedicated posts for individual players, I get the overarching impression that BK has been taking it easy on recruiting field after getting job security. Nothing earth-shattering, but it's funny as heck to watch the domers bitch and moan. :lol:
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They are never happy. They have an excellent recruiting class coming in as well. I hope Kelly does something crazy this year, maybe catching him throwing footballs at his players like that Rutgers coach throwing basketballs.
 
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Will Muschamp;2325870; said:
They are never happy. They have an excellent recruiting class coming in as well. I hope Kelly does something crazy this year, maybe catching him throwing footballs at his players like that Rutgers coach throwing basketballs.
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How about practicing in gale winds and ordering a kid to video from a cherry picker? Or, maybe helping the school cover up a rape - suicide incident?
 
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cincibuck;2325897; said:
How about practicing in gale winds and ordering a kid to video from a cherry picker? Or, maybe helping the school cover up a rape - suicide incident?
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This.

Your only shot here is that he does something to an animal and gets the PETA types on his ass.

There is nothing left he can do to a human that will get ND to fire him.
 
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