Notre Dame 0, Michigan 38 (Final)

[Zurp]

I don't usually analyze a game much before picking who I want to win. Sometimes I pick a team, and then try to root for them. But a lot of times I just watch and I figure out who I'm rooting for when a big play happens one way or the other. Did I like that that big play happened? If so, I'm probably rooting for that team. If not, whatever.

But this line was the best line I've read all day:

and as long as they're down, we should rightfully kick them.

 

[OCBucksFan]

Just our of curiosity, have you ever lived somewhere where there was a large population of scUM fans? I kind of understand what you are saying in your post, but yet I completely disagree with it on the basis of wanting to see their fans experience malaise, heartbreak, and despair. This is based on the sole reason that I went through these experiences during the Cooper years and they constantly threw it in my face. Growing up in Northwest Ohio where the ratio of OSU:scUM fans in my high school was about 50:50 (we may have lived in Ohio, but we were actually closer to Ann Arbor) I know from experience how horribly pompous their fan base is. I went through junior high and high school during Cooper's early years and then had to continue to endure these jackasses during my college years every fall when I returned from Columbus over the holiday break. Their jeers and constant claims to "superiority" graded on me for almost 15 years.

When I look at the questions you raise, I don't understand how one tragic (and I argue the more tragic, the better) year by scUM takes away from your point. Why do we make such a big deal about The Game? Why do we care about the two school's respective histories? Why do we thump our chests? Simple, they are our rivals. One year will not detract from it.

Now granted, if we as Buckeye fans are honest with ourselves, the reason the rivalry exists is because scUM is the one school we have not been able to dominate over our long and storied history as a program. However, I once again emphasize that one year, or even several years strung together, has zero impact on this perspective. The reality is that eventually, scUM will have talented teams again. Their program will find great coaches and players in the future. Hence, one tragic year will not hurt the rivalry and in no way hurts Ohio State--even this year, where our strength will be determined by how we perform against Washington, Penn State, Wisconsin, and our bowl game. So what if scUM is not on that list this year? It will not take away from my opinion of what this team accomplishes--whatever that ends up being.

So, I say in agreement with others here: F'ck scUM! I hope they completely implode and the Carr era ends in complete disgrace. Losing record, no bowl? I say bring it on! Let their fans be knocked off their pedestal for once. Let Ohio State get one game closer to balancing its all-time record against the weasels and get approx 7 games closer them in all-time wins. And most importantly, allow us the opportunity to throw it their face--after all, isn't that what rivals do?

GPA!

 

[Dryden]

I live in Chicago--Lincoln Park to be exact--which is crawling with UM grads. For the most part, I like most of them. If I had actually gone to the school during the Cooper heartbreak years, I guess I might feel differently. To me, UM people don't come close to being as insufferable as domers.

There is an army of UM fans in central Ohio, in Columbus, where I live in Lancaster, and elsewhere, that are UM fans for the sole purpose of being antagonists. We'll call these people "John Cooper's Army."

These are people that have no affiliation to UM, and in many cases don't follow UM much of the regular season, either. What these people do, is the day of The Game, they break out their Desmond Howard bobble heads and put on their Charles Woodson jerseys, and they head out to bars en masse to heckle Ohio State fans. They recite UM's history, the National Title years from the day of covered wagons, all the streaks and records and so on, and they rub OSU fans noses in shit if UM wins the game. If they happen to lose, they vanish into the woodwork like cockroaches.

These people are more insufferable than the Domers, to me. Domer fans are generally year-round Domer fans. Misguided, delusional, or no, I genuinely believe that Notre Dame is at least 'their team.'

Bandwagon jumping Central Ohioans that root for Michigan one day a year are far, far worse.

I don't think even the UM grads understand this. When OSU fans hate on Michigan fans, it's not the actual UM alum, it's not the Detroit area or Ann Arbor residents. They're all fine. It's the antagonists. Many OSU fans' perception of what a "Michigan Man" is has been shaped by the jerks that live in Columbus who take pleasure in being assholes, for no other purpose than that they are, in fact, assholes.

Imagine the worst case scenario you always hear about OSU fans ... How bad they are. Whether real or alleged, take all those stories that we heard about how fans from Texas were treated. The people who do this shit are the same people that wore Michigan jerseys around C-Bus ten years ago when Cooper was here, but changed affiliations once the balance of power in the Big Ten shifted once JT proved he could win the big ones.

I can't stand those people. If you don't live within 50-miles of Columbus, you have no idea of the people grad, Thump, and I are talking about. Because these people don't live in Cincinnati, or Chicago, or anywhere else. There is a special level of Hell for these people, and they're only found in Central Ohio.

These bandwagon fans are an entirely separate entity, a cult, and it needs to be squashed, this year, once and for all. I want them to be embarrassed to even show their face at the BW3 in Lancaster this Saturday. See, there were two of these guys at BWs two weeks ago, walking in late (because they didn't even know what time the UM/ASU kickoff was), talking mountains of smack, demanding - in a room full with 200 Buckeye fans - that one of the TVs be changed to the Michigan/App St game.

You cannot fathom how loud that bar got when App St took the lead.

These two guys were humiliated, disgraced, embarrassed.

It was AWESOME!

 

[buckeyegrad]

I live in Chicago--Lincoln Park to be exact--which is crawling with UM grads. For the most part, I like most of them. If I had actually gone to the school during the Cooper heartbreak years, I guess I might feel differently. To me, UM people don't come close to being as insufferable as domers.

Understandable. I have always found scUM grads to be more tolerable than those who are simply fans of the football team and have no other affiliation with the university.

In addition, I have not found the domers to be insufferable as many others have. My primary contact with ND fans are my cousins in South Bend, and their love for ND goes well beyond the football team, but takes the entire institution into account. Plus, they also are OSU fans being originally from Ohio.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

There is an army of UM fans in central Ohio, in Columbus, where I live in Lancaster, and elsewhere, that are UM fans for the sole purpose of being antagonists. We'll call these people "John Cooper's Army."

These are people that have no affiliation to UM, and in many cases don't follow UM much of the regular season, either. What these people do, is the day of The Game, they break out their Desmond Howard bobble heads and put on their Charles Woodson jerseys, and they head out to bars en masse to heckle Ohio State fans. They recite UM's history, the National Title years from the day of covered wagons, all the streaks and records and so on, and they rub OSU fans noses in shit if UM wins the game. If they happen to lose, they vanish into the woodwork like cockroaches.

These people are more insufferable than the Domers, to me. Domer fans are generally year-round Domer fans. Misguided, delusional, or no, I genuinely believe that Notre Dame is at least 'their team.'

Bandwagon jumping Central Ohioans that root for Michigan one day a year are far, far worse.

I don't think even the UM grads understand this. When OSU fans hate on Michigan fans, it's not the actual UM alum, it's not the Detroit area or Ann Arbor residents. They're all fine. It's the antagonists. Many OSU fans' perception of what a "Michigan Man" is has been shaped by the jerks that live in Columbus who take pleasure in being assholes, for no other purpose than that they are, in fact, assholes.

Imagine the worst case scenario you always hear about OSU fans ... How bad they are. Whether real or alleged, take all those stories that we heard about how fans from Texas were treated. The people who do this shit are the same people that wore Michigan jerseys around C-Bus ten years ago when Cooper was here, but changed affiliations once the balance of power in the Big Ten shifted once JT proved he could win the big ones.

I can't stand those people. If you don't live within 50-miles of Columbus, you have no idea of the people grad, Thump, and I are talking about. Because these people don't live in Cincinnati, or Chicago, or anywhere else. There is a special level of Hell for these people, and they're only found in Central Ohio.

These bandwagon fans are an entirely separate entity, a cult, and it needs to be squashed, this year, once and for all. I want them to be embarrassed to even show their face at the BW3 in Lancaster this Saturday. See, there were two of these guys at BWs two weeks ago, walking in late (because they didn't even know what time the UM/ASU kickoff was), talking mountains of smack, demanding - in a room full with 200 Buckeye fans - that one of the TVs be changed to the Michigan/App St game.

You cannot fathom how loud that bar got when App St took the lead.

These two guys were humiliated, disgraced, embarrassed.

It was AWESOME!

That's interesting. I guess every environment has to have the antagonists who go against the grain just to do so. Although, I can't say I miss the bizarre overemphasis on Ohio State football from the Columbus media. It was almost too overbearing to the point of making me tune it out. Don't the talking hairdos have actual news to cover? Hopefully, I'll never, ever have to look at Andrea Cambern's weathered grill in her Ohio State jersey or listen to Dave Kaylor (at least he was an actual alum) reminisce about his days in the band again.

I guess that's what I like about living in Chicago--the mixture of Big Ten fans with really no one school (not even Illinois) dominating the scene combined with the fact that the fans you do run into are far, far more likely to be actual alumni of their representative schools. I have four official Ohio State bars within walking distance of my apartment, yet don't have Buckeye football drummed into my head by the media for five solid months.

 

[Zurp]

I can't stand those people. If you don't live within 50-miles of Columbus, you have no idea of the people grad, Thump, and I are talking about. Because these people don't live in Cincinnati, or Chicago, or anywhere else. There is a special level of Hell for these people, and they're only found in Central Ohio.

There are plenty of these people in Cleveland. Maybe not quite as strong of an army, but they're here. You don't see them unless Michigan has beaten Ohio State in the past year, or are expected to beat Ohio State within the next week. I know people who couldn't give a monkey's uncle of a turd for college football at all, and don't care who's playing, who's winning, or who's #1. But when it comes time for Ohio State vs. Michigan, out come the "Michigan" shirts, jerseys, hats, etc. And they talk about how great a game it was when Michigan wins. But when they lose, they're no where. When you ask them why they root for Michigan, it's usually retarded answers, like, "I'm just tired of hearing all the news about Ohio State." That's a ridiculous answer, since these people are NOT tired of hearing crap about the Indians or the Browns or the Cavs. (Ironic that they're willing to root AGAINST Ohio State, but they have to be die-hard Browns fans. I guess they like rooting for losers.)

When Michigan wins The Game, you'd almost think that Cleveland is part of Michigan, with the way people dress when they go out. It's Michigan-this and Michigan-that. But since Michigan hasn't won since 2003, they haven't bothered me for a while.

 

[OWUBuckeye51]

What Michigan needs to do is take a page out of the Bill Belichick Ethics in Sports book and install hidden cameras throughout the visiting locker room...

Can you imagine a Weis-cam and the conversations generated as a result?

"Hey Ron, this photo clearly shows the ND "double secret probation" playbook...here are Charlie's top 5 formations...and oh yes, here is the combination to the padlock guarding his pork rinds..."

 

[OWUBuckeye51]

These are people that have no affiliation to UM, and in many cases don't follow UM much of the regular season, either. What these people do, is the day of The Game, they break out their Desmond Howard bobble heads and put on their Charles Woodson jerseys, and they head out to bars en masse to heckle Ohio State fans. They recite UM's history, the National Title years from the day of covered wagons, all the streaks and records and so on, and they rub OSU fans noses in shit if UM wins the game. If they happen to lose, they vanish into the woodwork like cockroaches.

I don't think even the UM grads understand this. When OSU fans hate on Michigan fans, it's not the actual UM alum, it's not the Detroit area or Ann Arbor residents. They're all fine. It's the antagonists. Many OSU fans' perception of what a "Michigan Man" is has been shaped by the jerks that live in Columbus who take pleasure in being assholes, for no other purpose than that they are, in fact, assholes.

Being a Columbus resident and OSU student, I couldn't agree more....

 

[Steve19]

Revenge? Who said anything about revenge? Heck, I thought we were gathered here to hope for their spiritual growth through suffering. It's the higher plane upon which some of us are focusing.

 

[Dryden]

Revenge? Who said anything about revenge? Heck, I thought we were gathered here to hope for their spiritual growth through suffering. It's the higher plane upon which some of us are focusing.

Lachrymology

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[DA-Bucks]

Anyone got the over/under on how many times they'll show Jimmy's brother, Casey Clausen, highlights from when Tennessee spanked UM and threw for 400+ yards?

If Notre Dame is leading I'm guessing about 12-14 times in references and at least 5 highlight clips from that game.

I know I mentioned this earlier, but I think I'm more excited to see more updates on the Clausen family than to see this football game! Seriously, is it any coincendence that Jimmy Clausen shares the same initials as the son of God?

 

[Padraig]

Seriously, is it any coincendence that Jimmy Clausen shares the same initials as the son of God?

WWJD...what would Jimmy do?


...errr, never mind. (Can't they both just lose?)

 

[Thump]

WWJD...what would Jimmy do?


...errr, never mind. (Can't they both just lose?)

Boy, he's never going to live that pic down!

 

[Jaxbuck]

Boy, he's never going to live that pic down!

The sick part is I don't think he's trying to.

The APSU loss and another notch in JT's belt this year is all the bragging rights we need over tsun, they have been crushed and its not going to be a quick turnaround.

I cannot root for NoD, I cannot root for CW, I cannot root for anything good to ever come to the hypocrites that are NoD fans, I cannot root for a team with an openly gay QB(who replaced one I seriously wonder about), I cannot root for a team who's representative on this board is one brain cell away from being declared legally retarded and has his caps lock button stuck to "on" from an orange creme margarita spill. Just can't do it.

A tsun victory lets us use the APSU loss against both of these fucknut fan bases. That is simply getting the most bang for our buck from the biggest upset in CFB history. You only get one of these once a lifetime if your lucky, root for taking max advantage of it.

In a sense I'm not rooting for tsun, I'm rooting for APSU again.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Boy, he's never going to live that pic down!

It's real! I always thought it was a photoshop.