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North Carolina Tar Heels (official thread)

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Of course a Pedster had to chime in on the comments section, because it mentioned PedSU, so it must be about them! :shake:

More than any of the pay for play/agent/$x hand shakes, the reaction and punishment for this case will be either the undoing or confirmation of the NCAA. The bad thing is that appropriate punishments would likely mean no student athletes in any sport for several years, removing any chance at that experience for UNC students, but the NCAA can't let that deter them from what almost has to be a complete athletic department death penalty. In addition, the accrediting body for UNC surely has to be taking a hard look at this as well. This could likely damage UNC far beyond athletics, and permanently.
 
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Dryden said:
If they have to vacate seasons from 1993-2010 that's going to wipe out 45 wins for Mack Brown, and 48 wins for all the other coaches combined (Butch Davis's wouldn't apply since those have already been vacated, lol).
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If they have to vacate games that no one was there to see and they didn't win any of...did they happen???
 
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I actually don't think this will harm the UNC academic reputation as badly as many suggest. Athletically, yes, but they have some stellar scholars and they're not going anywhere. The damage is not going to drop their business school in its rankings. The damage will be to unc athletics and it could dropbthem for a generation or longer.
 
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Steve19 said:
I actually don't think this will harm the UNC academic reputation as badly as many suggest. Athletically, yes, but they have some stellar scholars and they're not going anywhere. The damage is not going to drop their business school in its rankings. The damage will be to unc athletics and it could dropbthem for a generation or longer.
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I agree. They're still a top-6 public alongside Berkeley, UCLA, Bedrock, UVA and probably Wiscy.
 
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cincibuck said:
But they've got problems with a tea party guv who's taken money from higher Ed and research.
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I agree that the state can still take money away from the school's budget, but how much influence do they have on research. That's overwhelmingly coming from federal and private sources rather than the state budget. You, however, can have an imbecile like Voinovich who believed that professors at a world class research university should essentially be no different than a school marm.

Herb Asher had a great story about Voinovich's first run for Governor. He held a rally at Ohio State for Young Republicans from all over the state. In that rally with Herb standing against the wall at the back of the auditorium, he boasted that he was going to turn Ohio into one giant Silicon Valley and in the next sentence promised the students that he would also get all of those professors out of their labs and into their classrooms. Herb Asher is a great guy, but a little bit more demure than ORD. When listening to him tell this story, you could literally see him fighting back the urge to start swearing and using terms like "fucking retard" and "head up his own ass imbecile." That he completely did not get the utter contradiction and incompatiblility between his two higher education promises tells you all you need to know about Incurious George.
 
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Mike80 said:
I thought we weren't supposed to get political?
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Right you are. How's this: Right now UNC is fighting with the Guv and the legislature over revenue for higher Ed. The state has also cut back on support for the Research Triangle, a huge research area that has brought money to UNC, NCSU, Duke and Wake Forest. Add this to the possibility of sanctions and it could have a serious impact on the over all ranking of the school.
 
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...recedented-academic-fraud-case-will-test-ncaa

UNC's unprecedented academic fraud case will test NCAA
JON SOLOMON
National College Football Writer

Drake Group president Gerald Gurney and two colleagues researched every NCAA academic fraud case since the Division I infractions committee began in 1953. Gurney has little doubt where North Carolina's academic scandal stands in NCAA history.

"I can assure you the depth and breadth and sheer numbers of affected athletes is in fact the largest and the most egregious case of academic fraud by far in NCAA history," said Gurney, who has been an athletic department compliance director and run academic support programs for athletes.

What's the appropriate NCAA punishment for what is being described as the worst academic fraud scandal in college sports history? Pending the NCAA's investigation, penalties could include postseason bans, fines, scholarship reductions and vacating victories (including possibly the Tar Heels' 2005 and 2009 NCAA men's basketball titles).

North Carolina's bogus African-American Studies classes for approximately 1,500 athletes over 18 years will test the effectiveness and credibility of NCAA enforcement at a time when some major conference commissioners have discussed outsourcing the discipline.

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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...th-penalty-in-academic-fraud-case-but-it-wont

UNC should get death penalty in academic fraud case, but it won't
DENNIS DODD
CBSSports.com

North Carolina has been disgraced. Unfortunately for everyone involved, it's not going to end with mere embarrassment.

Not if you believe that some shred of the NCAA Manual matters to anyone anymore. Not if you believe in the collegiate model that says education should have at least a smidge to do with getting a free education. Not if you believe that scores of folks in higher education have to take the fall for a massive, corrupt, paper class sham that goes back almost 20 years.

It's not going to end with North Carolina's administration throwing itself on a flaming pyre of regret and reform. Or coaches moving on after I-don't-remember answers too hard, burning questions about their athletes' matriculation through fake classes.

Some sort of burn-to-the-ground sanction seems to be in order. Death penalty, why not? It's just a matter of who you pin it on. Football, where four coaches have to share some sort of blame. If nothing else, Mack Brown, Carl Torbush, John Bunting and Butch Davis were charged when some of their players -- as part of that free education -- seemingly got free grades. Basketball, where the corruption stretches all the way back to Dean Smith.

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