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[Buckeneye]

7th in yards, 4th in passing 1st downs, blah blah blah. Look at those passes. He takes the snap and immediately throws it.

You can't just discount meaningful categories and substitute them with your own reality of "he immediately throws".

The time to throw is fast. But the clean pocket time is proportionately lower than QBs who frequently go further downfield - Allen, Lamar, Baker, Herbert, Hurts, etc etc

I could do that.

No, you couldn't.

They're manufactured yards.

Some, yes. But that's the new NFL. Attempting to manufacture offense for easy completions. The key is when it isn't so easy.

He's not the reason those yards pile up.

Well it sure hasn't been the surrounding cast the last few years. And if it was just Andy Reid and the design alone, then they wouldn't have had their asses kicked quite so bad by Tampa or Philly in two superbowls.

I'm not saying he's good, not great. I'm saying he's good, but people think he's football Jesus and we don't actually know because that scheme would make anybody look good

Two things.

- for what it's worth, I feel Joe Burrow is the best QB on the planet.

- What is the 'scheme'...? I ask this not to be combative, but wanting a genuine explanation. It's something I started asking people in 2022.

If you're making the accusation, by extension you have a great understanding of the cause. Can you, would you, kindly, explain the KC offensive scheme here in detail for me/us.. please and thank you?

It may help me to understand your position better.

. I promise you Justin Fields would look like a much better player if 80% of the time all he had to do was IMMEDIATELY throw to one "read". That's not even a read, it's an extended handoff.

Again, Fields still struggles to deliver the ball to open receivers off his primary right now, regardless of the system.

He cannot consistently make fast decisions without incredible hesitation, even when it is given to him.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Again, Fields still struggles to deliver the ball to open receivers off his primary right now, regardless of the system.

See, I'm not even going to entertain your other stuff until we address this. Fields struggles to make reads. He's incredibly slow at it. His team around him sucks. If you take away the need to even make a read, he would get better. If all he had to do was receive the snap and throw it to a wide open player before the defense can blink, he would look exactly like what Mahomes looks like for about 80% of the game. You can't tell me he can't get the ball to open receivers when those receivers aren't running half a step routes. He can't get the ball to the JETS receivers in the JETS offense. He sure as shit could get the ball to a Jason Kelce who has taken 2 steps and then falls forward and it's already 2nd and 3. You could take a majority of the QBs in the league, have them do the same things Mahomes is asked to do, and they would have the same exact stats. That's my argument that you're trying to morph into me saying Mahomes is functionally retarded or something like that. I'm not saying that. I'm saying he doesn't even need to sweat half the time and he's guaranteed 200 and 2, just by not being Joe Bauserman.

 

[Buckeneye]

. If you take away the need to even make a read, he would get better.

Interesting.

Justin Pre-season week 1

Didn't even throw.




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Justin, regular season, week 5










Justin fails to capitalize when it's ofered to him at the most basic level on a simple rub concept. KC runs this a lot and Mahomes connects quite often.

This is barely the surface of the evidence where Fields sees it, but doesn't throw or throws late. Yet you keep using him as an example to the contrary with no evidence of your own.

I think this is where our conversation comes to an impass and end. I have to adhere to reality.

And the reality is there's nothing to support Justin gets better if you just plugged him in where Patrick stands.

Because he can't even execute fundamental concepts the Chiefs, and many teams across the league, use for high percentage throws. Hell, he isn't even showing a modicum of progress in his own offense running the exact same plays.

Slapping a Chiefs uni on him won't magically make him connect on these throws.

When we acknowledge that, I'd be glad to pick up this conversation again. Until then, Go Bucks.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Interesting.

Justin Pre-season week 1

Didn't even throw.

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[QUOTE/] If all he had to do was receive the snap and throw it to a wide open player before the defense can blink, he would look exactly like what Mahomes looks like for about 80% of the time [QUOTE/]


Justin, regular season, week 5


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Justin fails to capitalize when it's ofered to him at the most basic level on a simple rub concept. KC runs this a lot and Mahomes connects quite often.

This is barely the surface of the evidence where Fields sees it, but doesn't throw or throws late. Yet you keep using him as an example to the contrary with no evidence of your own.

I think this is where our conversation comes to an impass and end. I have to adhere to reality.

And the reality is there's nothing to support Justin gets better if you just plugged him in where Patrick stands.

Because he can't even execute fundamental concepts the Chiefs, and many teams across the league, use for high percentage throws. Hell, he isn't even showing a modicum of progress in his own offense running the exact same plays.

Slapping a Chiefs uni on him won't magically make him connect on these throws.

When we acknowledge that, I'd be glad to pick up this conversation again. Until then, Go Bucks.

Dude, you're not hearing what I am saying. I'm going to try to say it as clearly as I can, because I'm not saying it well enough.

Put Justin Fields on the Chiefs.
Tell him to immediately throw to a receiver.
Don't make a read.
Just throw. Immediately.

That's it. That's the Mahomes plan for massive portions of the game. You can post 1000 different images of him not doing that on the Jets. You can post 1000 different pictures of puppies. They would carry the same weight. He's making reads in those images. Slowly. Poorly. Incorrectly. Put him on the Chiefs, take away the responsibility of making reads, he would have all your precious yards and stats.