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cdiddy70 said:
"I think Hartline is not playing freshman because they aren't as good as Egbuka and Harrison. So I mean who could blame him for that. However eventually he's not going to have those 2 and it'd be nice to have more depth."

Completely miss the point.
Nobody is saying they other WR's should play as much as Marv or EE, or even more then 10 snaps.
The point is that no WR's on the planet NCAA or NFL play 100% of snaps.
Not because they aren't better then the back ups but they need to take at least a handful of plays off every game.
You can't run a post expect to then run a post on the next play or even be engaged in blocking on a run play.
I forget there was a game this year where Marv was completely gassed and on the next play the announcer made a point of saying Marv wasn't going to be involved in the next play. Sure enough he went 1/2 speed on his route.
And spare my the gibberish about "not being ready". If you can't get a one freaking wr out of handful of highly regarded players behind the top 3(the easiest position in the sport to be ready quickly and early in your career) to run a handful of plays a game then your approach is flawed.

I posit we played more WR under Urban because he truly meant you weren't playing if you don't block.
He was a former WR coach and a son of a bitch.
As Hartline & Day move away from Urban's shadow the mantra about WR blocking is mainly lip service.
It maybe why we can't execute a bubble screen.
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No we are on the same page. I (unfortunately lol) have to agree with you on the WR rotation. I believe Egbuka/Marvin/Fleming should play 15 less snaps EACH in the games that we obviously will win handily.

That's the lesson I think we need to learn this year. Don't waste your top end talent getting stats vs Rutgers. Those are the games where we need to rest these kids in order to have them full go for the big ones.
 
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CMic said:
I guess it's the off-season.
Time to pick some nits in the WR room.
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You don't see an issue with 3 WRs playing over 500 snaps and the rest basically playing under 50?

The incoming freshman last year all played less then 30 snaps each. They should ALL played 30 snaps vs Arkansas State (which would've been a welcomed break after the tough opene). Let alone for an entire season.
 
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cdiddy70 said:
"I think Hartline is not playing freshman because they aren't as good as Egbuka and Harrison. So I mean who could blame him for that. However eventually he's not going to have those 2 and it'd be nice to have more depth."

Completely miss the point.
Nobody is saying they other WR's should play as much as Marv or EE, or even more then 10 snaps.
The point is that no WR's on the planet NCAA or NFL play 100% of snaps.
Not because they aren't better then the back ups but they need to take at least a handful of plays off every game.
You can't run a post expect to then run a post on the next play or even be engaged in blocking on a run play.
I forget there was a game this year where Marv was completely gassed and on the next play the announcer made a point of saying Marv wasn't going to be involved in the next play. Sure enough he went 1/2 speed on his route.
And spare my the gibberish about "not being ready". If you can't get a one freaking wr out of handful of highly regarded players behind the top 3(the easiest position in the sport to be ready quickly and early in your career) to run a handful of plays a game then your approach is flawed.

I posit we played more WR under Urban because he truly meant you weren't playing if you don't block.
He was a former WR coach and a son of a bitch.
As Hartline & Day move away from Urban's shadow the mantra about WR blocking is mainly lip service.
It maybe why we can't execute a bubble screen.
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The one major thing I agreed with Zach Smith when he coached at OSU, was that he constantly rotated and kept WRs fresh.
I don't see an excuse or have an explanation for why backups can't see the field more in OOC games or in blowouts against lesser B1G teams. I envisioned guys like Ballard, Graves and Burton getting some PT to rest the starters, and I only go by what "insiders" have constantly said. They weren't ready. Could be BS, maybe not. But as a whole next season, I'm hoping that there's more rotating as a whole(and more logical rotating on the DL). It not only helps for the future, but also should keep guys happy and not wanting to enter the Portal
 
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pnuts34 said:
The one major thing I agreed with Zach Smith when he coached at OSU, was that he constantly rotated and kept WRs fresh.
I don't see an excuse or have an explanation for why backups can't see the field more in OOC games or in blowouts against lesser B1G teams. I envisioned guys like Ballard, Graves and Burton getting some PT to rest the starters, and I only go by what "insiders" have constantly said. They weren't ready. Could be BS, maybe not. But as a whole next season, I'm hoping that there's more rotating as a whole(and more logical rotating on the DL). It not only helps for the future, but also should keep guys happy and not wanting to enter the Portal
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Just a thought, but maybe this is how Hartline gets these guys ready for the NFL grind. Can they play every snap consecutive weeks without a letdown?
 
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pnuts34 said:
The one major thing I agreed with Zach Smith when he coached at OSU, was that he constantly rotated and kept WRs fresh.
I don't see an excuse or have an explanation for why backups can't see the field more in OOC games or in blowouts against lesser B1G teams. I envisioned guys like Ballard, Graves and Burton getting some PT to rest the starters, and I only go by what "insiders" have constantly said. They weren't ready. Could be BS, maybe not. But as a whole next season, I'm hoping that there's more rotating as a whole(and more logical rotating on the DL). It not only helps for the future, but also should keep guys happy and not wanting to enter the Portal
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Yea he did, that's why you'd see so many games where our WRs struggled to get off blocks and create space. He used a bunch of people and it hurt everyone because guys were playing before they were ready and snaps were spread too thin for them to get better.

The issue with the WR rotation hasn't been Hartline. It's been the defense's inability to create a safe lead for the offense. They've been so prone to giving up big plays that it's either kept teams in games late, or made Day rightfully gun shy about pulling starters too early. If the defense hadn't been hot garbage for two years, some guys would have a lot more reps even if they weren't A-team reps.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
You don't see an issue with 3 WRs playing over 500 snaps and the rest basically playing under 50?

The incoming freshman last year all played less then 30 snaps each. They should ALL played 30 snaps vs Arkansas State (which would've been a welcomed break after the tough opene). Let alone for an entire season.
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I’ve thought over the last couple of years that the offense should mix in WRs to have the backups run go routes and posts to tire out the opposing secondary, or at least have our 2s facing the defense’s 2s, which I think is an advantage to the Buckeyes either way.

The substitutions have to be factored in to whether or not they want to run hurry-up, since the defense can sub whenever the offense does. But I think having MHJr. and Egbuka taking 55 to 60 snaps and the backups taking 10 to 15 makes sense. Even if the backups are only targeted once or twice each game. And that’s an average, they can play more for non-conference games and less after Thanksgiving.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
You don't see an issue with 3 WRs playing over 500 snaps and the rest basically playing under 50?

The incoming freshman last year all played less then 30 snaps each. They should ALL played 30 snaps vs Arkansas State (which would've been a welcomed break after the tough opene). Let alone for an entire season.
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I believe that freshmen have an opportunity to push into meaningful playing time. This year, the bar was to beat out X.Johnson and none of them could do it.
I expect some of the 2022 receivers to push ahead of the 2021 group and at least one to get PT (Inniss).
It's also likely that some of the 2021 group will transfer this year or next. Only 50% of the recruits will ever get meaningful playing time.

I don't see an issue with a "short bench" for playing with QB1. Barring injuries:
* 5 OL
* 2 RB
* 2 TE
* 4-5 WR
Hartline had 5 WR ready at the start of the season. Of course, JSN was injured and Hartline moved X up and ended with 4 receivers playing meaningful snaps.
The result, in my opinion was 2021=best WR group in OSU history; 2022=top ~5 WR group in OSU history (could have been 1st or 2nd w/o JSN injury).
 
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Big Ten football: New Year's resolution for every team in conference

OHIO STATE BUCKEYES: GET BETTER ON DEFENSE

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Big play, after big play, after big play. That was the story of Ohio State's downfall each of the last two seasons. The Buckeyes hired defensive coordinator Jim Knowles away from Oklahoma State, but he was unable to cure the issue in just one season. Offenses get going in college football, but Ohio State has to be able to stop the bleeding a little bit.

Entire article: https://247sports.com/college/ohio-...ry-team-in-conference-202214520/#202214520_13
 
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CMic said:
I believe that freshmen have an opportunity to push into meaningful playing time. This year, the bar was to beat out X.Johnson and none of them could do it.
I expect some of the 2022 receivers to push ahead of the 2021 group and at least one to get PT (Inniss).
It's also likely that some of the 2021 group will transfer this year or next. Only 50% of the recruits will ever get meaningful playing time.

I don't see an issue with a "short bench" for playing with QB1. Barring injuries:
* 5 OL
* 2 RB
* 2 TE
* 4-5 WR
Hartline had 5 WR ready at the start of the season. Of course, JSN was injured and Hartline moved X up and ended with 4 receivers playing meaningful snaps.
The result, in my opinion was 2021=best WR group in OSU history; 2022=top ~5 WR group in OSU history (could have been 1st or 2nd w/o JSN injury).
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It's not about beating someone out it's about giving kids reps in games where we roll our helmets out and win.

Jaxon got hurt vs Toledo and had his season ended in a blowout win vs Iowa. Those are games where, earned or not, our starters do not need to be playing in. Versus Toledo is wad 28-7 after the 1st quarter for example. Did we really need starters in on either side after that? We could've put our second team in and still win the game by 3 scores. Now I don't think it should be that extreme, but I'm convinced after the 1st quarter vs Toledo we should start mixing in kids like Caleb Brown and Dallan with the starters to save our starters.

There were WAY TOO MANY games where we were winning by 3+ TDs and CJ Stroud is still taking snaps in the 4th. That's frankly wreckless toward CJ and just plain dumb for your future as a program (because it removes reps from Kyle/Devin).

All I know is Michael Hall played freaking 15 snaps vs UGA which is criminal. So certainly your starters should play the bulk of the snaps but in games that there are 3 score leads we have got to start mixing some back ups in.
 
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THE FIVE BIGGEST QUESTIONS SURROUNDING OHIO STATE FOOTBALL AS 2023 BEGINS

WHO WILL BE THE BUCKEYES’ NEW STARTING QUARTERBACK?
CAN THE DEFENSE BECOME ELITE IN JIM KNOWLES’ SECOND YEAR?
HOW WILL BUCKEYES REPLACE KEY DEPARTURES ON OFFENSIVE LINE?
CAN OHIO STATE GET BACK ON TRACK IN THE GAME?
WILL THE BUCKEYES MAKE THE FINAL FOUR-TEAM PLAYOFF?



 
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ScriptOhio said:


THE FIVE BIGGEST QUESTIONS SURROUNDING OHIO STATE FOOTBALL AS 2023 BEGINS

WHO WILL BE THE BUCKEYES’ NEW STARTING QUARTERBACK?
CAN THE DEFENSE BECOME ELITE IN JIM KNOWLES’ SECOND YEAR?
HOW WILL BUCKEYES REPLACE KEY DEPARTURES ON OFFENSIVE LINE?
CAN OHIO STATE GET BACK ON TRACK IN THE GAME?
WILL THE BUCKEYES MAKE THE FINAL FOUR-TEAM PLAYOFF?
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IMO, there are just two questions...

1. Who is the QB and are they ready?

2. Who's protecting the QB?

Defense will be much improved and the skill is there on offense.
 
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Nobody gets better by sitting and watching. Period.

Play the fucking people that you recruit until and unless they prove they can't hack it. Too many injuries and people leaving will put this team behind the 8 ball in a season that has title aspirations with players that don't end up knowing what they're doing. You get paid to do more than recruit. That goes for every single coach on the staff!
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Nobody gets better by sitting and watching. Period.

Play the fucking people that you recruit until and unless they prove they can't hack it. Too many injuries and people leaving will put this team behind the 8 ball in a season that has title aspirations with players that don't end up knowing what they're doing. You get paid to do more than recruit. That goes for every single coach on the staff!
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Exactly. Imagine the QB situation if McCord had another 100 snaps and another 50 throws. The same can be said for all positions.

It's weird... The DL rotates too much and everywhere else doesn't rotate enough.
 
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