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[alexhortdog95]

The total educational experience does count. It makes it more likely that a kid from the snowbelt may want to attend a university in California instead of one in the snow belt. That kind of stuff is secondary to the chance to get to the NFL. Universities such as Nebraska and Ohio State must overcome the negatives (or lack of positives) associated with things like proximity to the beach. It means the equation must translate into advantages that outweigh the lack of positives.

This. Takes a special kind of salesman to get folks, and to sell a program without beaches, etc, etc.
Winning football games usually helps a coach get a leg up on that one.
Other smaller campuses (Like Oregon) use swag (Phil Knight $$$) to pop the eyeballs out of a recruit.

Only someone FROM Nebraska will know what gets guys TO Nebraska.

Your Tebow statement is false, Urban was new at UF and Tebow barely knew his offense. His parents were both UF grads and he grew idolizing Wuerffel. He came down to deciding UF because Urban is also a great recruiter and he could stay closer to home, so it was more because of the program instead of the coach.

You made my argument for me, thanks

 

[zincfinger]

Drier than a martini right there.

Fant ridin' the OSU linebackers:

 

[alexhortdog95]

Scott Frost gave a good interview on Game Day. Totally next head coach for corn. Good for them.

Here's my thoughts - if he can bring the offense he's running right now (watching UCF carve up Memphis right now as I type this), he's gonna have to play better defense. Even though UCF is #1 in the country in turnover margin (just went to #1 during this game), I'd recommend he rent a Brinks truck.....fill it with $$$....and back it up to Kevin Steele's house.

Steele was a LB coach here in 94 during the championship year. Sucked nutz as a head coach (Baylor), but as a D-Coordinator, dude is lights out.

 

[pnuts34]

This. Takes a special kind of salesman to get folks, and to sell a program without beaches, etc, etc.
Winning football games usually helps a coach get a leg up on that one.
Other smaller campuses (Like Oregon) use swag (Phil Knight $$$) to pop the eyeballs out of a recruit.

Only someone FROM Nebraska will know what gets guys TO Nebraska.



You made my argument for me, thanks

I actually didn't, you "cleverly" left out the part about his parents going to UF, and worshipping Wuerffel. He was a UF lean from the start.
But you'll believe what you want in the end...

 

[alexhortdog95]

I actually didn't, you "cleverly" left out the part about his parents going to UF, and worshipping Wuerffel. He was a UF lean from the start.
But you'll believe what you want in the end...

C'mon man, you gotta give me some joy - we might get a head coach by the end of the day.

Look at it this way - I'm watching the AAC championship now. Frost has a staff that has a guy at outside linebacker that is going beast mode, and dude is missing a hand. If he can bring that kind of intensity and passion here, man...

 

[pnuts34]

C'mon man, you gotta give me some joy - we might get a head coach by the end of the day.

Look at it this way - I'm watching the AAC championship now. Frost has a staff that has a guy at outside linebacker that is going beast mode, and dude is missing a hand. If he can bring that kind of intensity and passion here, man...

Hey, I'm all for the Huskers getting Frost. Make the west competitive, someone has to give Wisky a fight

 

[alexhortdog95]

Hey, I'm all for the Huskers getting Frost. Make the west competitive, someone has to give Wisky a fight

Piss on a fight. Fuck Bucky

 

[alexhortdog95]

TEXpN basically selling Frost coming to Lincoln, LOL

 

[NFBuck]

Here's my thoughts - if he can bring the offense he's running right now (watching UCF carve up Memphis right now as I type this), he's gonna have to play better defense. Even though UCF is #1 in the country in turnover margin (just went to #1 during this game), I'd recommend he rent a Brinks truck.....fill it with $$$....and back it up to Kevin Steele's house.

Steele was a LB coach here in 94 during the championship year. Sucked nutz as a head coach (Baylor), but as a D-Coordinator, dude is lights out.

Funny thing is, his defenses at Clemson almost got Dabo fired. He was the fall guy when WVU hung 70 on them in the Orange Bowl in 2011-12.

 

[NFBuck]

I'd like to see Corn be a worthy foe, so I'll be pretty happy to see him in Lincoln.

 

[Zander42]

Interesting conversation about location. I kind of sympathize with Alex here.

I think Nebraska. Comparing to the Buckeyes, nobody but nobody is coming to Ohio State because of Columbus. They come because of the brand, the experience, the chance to go to the NFL, and the coach. Right now the coach and staff are doing a great job of promoting the brand, etc. so it is a recruiting machine that just keeps running. Nebraska doesn't have the population of Ohio, so that's a negative for them, but with the right coach they could make a dent in national recruiting. They have tradition, a good fan base and top notch facilities (AFAIK).

If Frost can put a fence around Nebraska and compete for some national talent, they could easily be at the very least relevant again.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Interesting conversation about location. I kind of sympathize with Alex here.

I think Nebraska. Comparing to the Buckeyes, nobody but nobody is coming to Ohio State because of Columbus. They come because of the brand, the experience, the chance to go to the NFL, and the coach. Right now the coach and staff are doing a great job of promoting the brand, etc. so it is a recruiting machine that just keeps running. Nebraska doesn't have the population of Ohio, so that's a negative for them, but with the right coach they could make a dent in national recruiting. They have tradition, a good fan base and top notch facilities (AFAIK).

If Frost can put a fence around Nebraska and compete for some national talent, they could easily be at the very least relevant again.

Unlike most folk here in Nebraska, I'm not happy with the whole "9 wins a season."
Nine wins in the regular season now a days doesn't get you to a conference championship game.

I want our team to at least be in the hunt every year.

 

[zincfinger]

...nobody but nobody is coming to Ohio State because of Columbus...

I disagree; not with the notion that highly recruited high school football players sign with OSU because of the program, not because of the city; but with the notion that Columbus is a backwater. I'm not sure that most players are looking for a big city, but to the extent they are, Columbus comes closer to being that than most college towns do. For major football programs, UCLA, USC, Miami, UTx are about the only ones that exceed Columbus in that respect.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I am tired of the "players don't want to play at [insert location here] because of where it's at" excuse. If a player (and their parents, of course) feel comfortable when that coach sits down at their table to tell them what they have to offer, and where they can take them - THAT'S what gets players to a place.

You might be tired of that "excuse", but recruits do tend with to sign with local schools, and it certainly helps to have a strong local recruiting base.

Ohio State recruits nationally as well as anyone, and yet 35 of 84 scholarship players are from the State of Ohio. Eight more are from the border states of Michigan (4), Indiana (3), and Kentucky (1). Sixteen are from regional states (a short plane flight or easy drive from Columbus) of Maryland (4), Virginia (4), Illinois (3), New York (3), and New Jersey (2). Fourteen are from the huge recruiting hotbeds of Florida (7) and Texas (7). Only eleven recruits come from states that have little or no connection to Ohio - California (2), Nevada (2), North Carolina (2), South Carolina (1), Georgia (1), Minnesota (1), Utah (1), and Arkansas (1).

Nebraska has very few D-1 recruits in state, and your border/regional states are no better: Iowa, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, Minnesota, the Dakotas. The Huskers have to recruit out-of-region in order to find players, and recently they haven't been a major factor in big markets like Texas, Florida, and California. While Ohio State is pulling high-four and five star recruits from Florida, Texas, and even California to add to a strong Ohio and regional base, Nebraska is getting three star leftovers from those states to supplement what little local and regional talent exists.

Sure, a good coach can "sell" his program, but it's a lot easier to sell Ohio kids on Ohio State ... Dade/Broward kids on Miami ... LA/OC kids on USC ... Texas kids on Texas ... and the list goes on. Most top programs have a clearly defined local/regional recruiting base, and not having such a base is a big reason why Nebraska is in real trouble going forward.

Chip Kelly is going to kill it at UCLA because every year he has a hundred top recruits within a 50-mile radius of Westwood. The next coach at Nebraska has no such luxury.

 

[alexhortdog95]

You might be tired of that "excuse", but recruits do tend with to sign with local schools, and it certainly helps to have a strong local recruiting base.

Ohio State recruits nationally as well as anyone, and yet 35 of 84 scholarship players are from the State of Ohio. Eight more are from the border states of Michigan (4), Indiana (3), and Kentucky (1). Sixteen are from regional states (a short plane flight or easy drive from Columbus) of Maryland (4), Virginia (4), Illinois (3), New York (3), and New Jersey (2). Fourteen are from the huge recruiting hotbeds of Florida (7) and Texas (7). Only eleven recruits come from states that have little or no connection to Ohio - California (2), Nevada (2), North Carolina (2), South Carolina (1), Georgia (1), Minnesota (1), Utah (1), and Arkansas (1).

Nebraska has very few D-1 recruits in state, and your border/regional states are no better: Iowa, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, Minnesota, the Dakotas. The Huskers have to recruit out-of-region in order to find players, and recently they haven't been a major factor in big markets like Texas, Florida, and California. While Ohio State is pulling high-four and five star recruits from Florida, Texas, and even California to add to a strong Ohio and regional base, Nebraska is getting three star leftovers from those states to supplement what little local and regional talent exists.

Sure, a good coach can "sell" his program, but it's a lot easier to sell Ohio kids on Ohio State ... Dade/Broward kids on Miami ... LA/OC kids on USC ... Texas kids on Texas ... and the list goes on. Most top programs have a clearly defined local/regional recruiting base, and not having such a base is a big reason why Nebraska is in real trouble going forward.

Don't disagree with any of that, but there was a formula that worked at one time. It just has to be tweaked, that's all.
The biggest problem since the early 2000's in Lincoln has been leadership. Started with that damn Steve Peterson, and went downhill from there.