Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

[ORD_Buckeye]

Biddle doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The compliance Director has a responsibility to scrutinize these things if it could affect a players’ eligibility. That’s his job. Biddle and Schottenstein would prefer zero scrutiny and just be given the unqualified green light rather than have a professional in compliance consider the full ramifications.

Archie’s job is and always has been safe. NIL hasn’t eliminated the need for compliance. The most obvious examples are recruiting contacts, visits, etc. So to suggest this is about job security is rather asinine.

To my ear, it was a clumsy and lame attempt at a power play telling the university to stay out of their way. Which is rich since Biddle's sole connection to the university is being a barnacle on the ass of its football team. I don't know if this clown gets press credentials, but I'd tread lightly if I were him. Otherwise, he might need to scrape together the scratch for a Buckeye Club membership and pair of tickets.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

You really think with the direction this is heading that the NCAA and their Byzantine rule book are long for the territory?

I think the ncaa will be utterly irrelevant. I do think that a combination of Presidents, AD'S and conference commissioners in conjunction with some loyal politicians and very high priced lawyers are working right now on some structure and regulations that will flush the power player fantasies of the Dave Biddles of the college football world straight down the toilet. If Saban and Alabama are saying "enough" what do you think is being said in the corridors of power in the B1G, PAC and ACC?

 

[Jaxbuck]

I think the ncaa will be utterly irrelevant. I do think that a combination of Presidents, AD'S and conference commissioners in conjunction with some loyal politicians and very high priced lawyers are working right now on some structure and regulations that will flush the power player fantasies of the Dave Biddles of the college football world straight down the toilet. If Saban and Alabama are saying "enough" what do you think is being said in the corridors of power in the B1G, PAC and ACC?

Which gets us back to the point of seeing how they intend to do that. These are state laws that allow people to make money off their own NIL and forbid the NCAA from applying rules to the contrary. How does another group come in and effectively place limits on it/ What happens if someone doesn't play along?

The game theory of it is that right now, until this governing body is in place (if it ever will be), you have to go hard at it or the impact to the football program's ability to attract talent will be severely impacted. These early stage NIL facilitator groups will likely be replaced (that's just a who/how thing) but what they do still has to be done. If the schools don't want to do it themselves then they need to get out of the way and let someone do it. The alternative is the U Chicago route much sooner than later.

The Texas A&M's of the world aren't waiting around to see how anyone else feels about it.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Biddle doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The compliance Director has a responsibility to scrutinize these things if it could affect a players’ eligibility. That’s his job. Biddle and Schottenstein would prefer zero scrutiny and just be given the unqualified green light rather than have a professional in compliance consider the full ramifications.

Archie’s job is and always has been safe. NIL hasn’t eliminated the need for compliance. The most obvious examples are recruiting contacts, visits, etc. So to suggest this is about job security is rather asinine.

Who was the last academically ineligible all American? Transfer portal if the athlete is even confronted about academics.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Which gets us back to the point of seeing how they intend to do that. These are state laws that allow people to make money off their own NIL and forbid the NCAA from applying rules to the contrary. How does another group come in and effectively place limits on it/ What happens if someone doesn't play along?

The game theory of it is that right now, until this governing body is in place (if it ever will be), you have to go hard at it or the impact to the football program's ability to attract talent will be severely impacted. These early stage NIL facilitator groups will likely be replaced (that's just a who/how thing) but what they do still has to be done. If the schools don't want to do it themselves then they need to get out of the way and let someone do it. The alternative is the U Chicago route much sooner than later.

The Texas A&M's of the world aren't waiting around to see how anyone else feels about it.

Which is why I think this will be a transitory "wild west" period that will ultimately give way to a paid-to-play employee basis. Once the players become paid employees under contract, the structure and control will be put back into place.

An employee under contract has no right to sell himself on the side to the highest bidder (particularly if that bidder might not have the best interests of the employer in mind) if the contract prevents that.

I hope there's a way out of this because if college football is going to be handed over to the Dave Biddles, Surly Horns NIL funds and aggy jizz jars, I'm out. At that point, let the B1G and PAC schools go the way of Chicagoand the Ivies.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Which is why I think this will be a transitory "wild west" period that will ultimately give way to a paid-to-play employee basis. Once the players become paid employees under contract, the structure and control will be put back into place.

An employee under contract has no right to sell himself on the side to the highest bidder (particularly if that bidder might not have the best interests of the employer in mind) if the contract prevents that.

Lots of details to be worked out obviously but I agree, this is the closest thing to the old structure that we are used to where the football team is part of the university.

I hope there's a way out of this because if college football is going to be handed over to the Dave Biddles, Surly Horns NIL funds and aggy jizz jars, I'm out. At that point, let the B1G and PAC schools go the way of Chicagoand the Ivies.

I'm not as worried about calling it what it is and that's a money maker. It funds other sports, gives back to the school, etc etc etc. I kind of like stripping away all the bullshit pretense and false narrative about doing it for dear old U and the like. I'll leave the racoon coats and the myths of scholar athlete to the DFBIA.

You could just as simply work out a licensing deal between the Ohio State University and newCo football team inc for use of the name, stadium, colors, logo etc. It would relieve all the need for excessive rules and enforcement of those rules.

The semi pro NFL minor League has two dozen or so of the current heavy hitters in CFB and the rest who want to play more of a club level of football can go do so under the old model if it makes them feel better.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Which is why I think this will be a transitory "wild west" period that will ultimately give way to a paid-to-play employee basis. Once the players become paid employees under contract, the structure and control will be put back into place.

An employee under contract has no right to sell himself on the side to the highest bidder (particularly if that bidder might not have the best interests of the employer in mind) if the contract prevents that.

I hope there's a way out of this because if college football is going to be handed over to the Dave Biddles, Surly Horns NIL funds and aggy jizz jars, I'm out. At that point, let the B1G and PAC schools go the way of Chicagoand the Ivies.

The players have a legal right (US Supreme Court decision in the Austin Case by a vote of 9-0) to benefit from their name, image, and likeliness. States have passed laws permitting the players to benefit. Reigning all that in will be next to impossible.

The genie is out of the bottle.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The players have a legal right (US Supreme Court decision in the Austin Case by a vote of 9-0) to benefit from their name, image, and likeliness. States have passed laws permitting the players to benefit. Reigning all that in will be next to impossible.

The genie is out of the bottle.

And that decision specifically addressed the issue of unpaid "amateur" athletes. Watch how fast Bret Kavanaugh spins on a dime the moment this becomes about employee rights rather than deregulation. An employee who signs an employment contract (collectively bargained or otherwise) has no right to take side cash from Brian Schottenstein if his contract prevents it.

 

[CMic]

Compliance Director:

 

[jwinslow]

Has there been any explanation at all about how this is a tax deduction?

I get why there's no compliance and that the NCAA is mostly dead. I'm confused why the IRS is seemingly getting rolled into that status.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Has there been any explanation at all about how this is a tax deduction?

I get why there's no compliance and that the NCAA is mostly dead. I'm confused why the IRS is seemingly getting rolled into that status.

Players will have to pay taxes on income

For profit businesses get to write off a portion of what they pay players

Not for profit businesses pretty much the same deal

The possible rub is the IRS revoking/disputing the Not for profit status of these NIL funds that are set up that way.

Not really much else for the IRS to do. It's business, taxes are owed. That's it.

 

[NastyNatiBuck]

Has there been any explanation at all about how this is a tax deduction?

I get why there's no compliance and that the NCAA is mostly dead. I'm confused why the IRS is seemingly getting rolled into that status.

The wheels of government turn slowly, but they do turn. I wouldn't interpret a lack of news as tacit permission by the IRS.

 

[ScriptOhio]

And that decision specifically addressed the issue of unpaid "amateur" athletes. Watch how fast Bret Kavanaugh spins on a dime the moment this becomes about employee rights rather than deregulation. An employee who signs an employment contract (collectively bargained or otherwise) has no right to take side cash from Brian Schottenstein if his contract prevents it.

NCAA is now a worthless organization with no rules and/or enforcement regarding the athlete's benefits. The conferences can't collectively agree on anything. Even if they could a standard conference policy may be impossible because of the different state laws. Every school will do whatever they can to get a competitive advantage. So which school do you think the top rated recruits would want to go to?

a) Recruit/football player has to sign "an employment contract" to play football at Ohio State and gets "standard salary" but no NIL deals.

b) Recruit/football player does not have has to sign "an employment contract" to play football at Texas A&M and can easily get 6 figure (or more) NIL deals.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

NCAA is now a worthless organization with no rules and/or enforcement regarding the athlete's benefits. The conferences can't collectively agree on anything. Even if they could a standard conference policy may be impossible because of the different state laws. Every school will do whatever they can to get a competitive advantage. So which school do you think the top rated recruits would want to go to?

a) Recruit/football player has to sign "an employment contract" to play football at Ohio State and gets "standard salary" but no NIL deals.

b) Recruit/football player does not have has to sign "an employment contract" to play football at Texas A&M and can easily get 6 figure (or more) NIL deals.

They can still do NIL deals, but as employees under contract, the universities and conferences have some degree of control. It's not unilateral disarmament if it's a system set up a d agreed to by the P5 (4?) conferences. I think that's what Saban is saying. He can out NIL anyone out there, but he also recognizes the inherent dangers of letting the Dave Biddles and Jeff Snooks of his ecosystem gain an undue level of influence.

Or, perhaps, you'd like to see an outsize level of influence for some of the sleeziest elements that the college football ecosystem produces.

 

[ScriptOhio]

They can still do NIL deals, but as employees under contract, the universities and conferences have some degree of control. It's not unilateral disarmament if it's a system set up a d agreed to by the P5 (4?) conferences. I think that's what Saban is saying. He can out NIL anyone out there, but he also recognizes the inherent dangers of letting the Dave Biddles and Jeff Snooks of his ecosystem gain an undue level of influence.

Or, perhaps, you'd like to see an outsize level of influence for some of the sleeziest elements that the college football ecosystem produces.

Hey, I'm all for it (i.e. some degree of control). Hindsight is 20/20. It's really unfortunate that the NCAA/Conferences/Schools didn't realize that being a student-athlete is pretty much a full time 52 week a year job. Even though their playing season only may last one semester; they spend a lot of hours practicing/or working out the other semesters too. The modest amount of meal and laundry money the student athletics had been getting just didn't cut it. With their academics, sports, and some a personal/social life; they really don't have time for another job to earn any spending money. Had some of the money the schools reaped in from the revenue producing spots should have been paid the student athlete to help cover some of his/her personnel expenses; maybe this era we are in of the "NIL bidding war" could have been prevented.

Anyway, screw the Dave Biddles and Jeff Snooks (whoever they are) as well as the other sleezy elements of the world. I just think that it will now be a near impossible task to get the NCAA, and all the conferences and (independent) schools to collectively agree to anything, let alone something this big. Even if they did some lawyer would undoubtedly take it to court and who knows how that would come out?