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That is all part of process of trying to allow their software to work on multiple hardware platforms and co exist with all the other software out there.
Apple does not have that problem because their system is very closed, not alot of software runs on it, it runs on one platform and it does not co-exist with anything else.

If you have 1 million lines of code and have an .0001, 1/100 of a percent, opportunity factor that is 100 lines of code that could have an error or be hacked. Now I do not know how many lines WIN XP is but the opportunity is there. You fix one thing and you can screw up two others. I live this everyday with my team.

I got an email the other day showing all the server versions of MS software. I am sure it was over 24. Way too many to not have problems and supprt issues even for the big MS.

As for their practices they were the right company at the right time. They did nothing illegal. They actually executed Michael Porters Five Forces model as far as it could be taken. They are more consumer oriented but much of what MS did so did EMC, Cisco and IBM on the mainframe. You never heard it unless you were on the business side. Innovation changes things.

Mili

The first engineering program I wrote was on an old HP using cassettes.
 
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Microsoft Windows ME?

That is just one of countless software titles that were horrible upon release... that one was so bad that they stopped supporting it all together just a year or two after it was released...

There are some titles which have flaws because they have to handle a number of interfaces. But there have been a ton of windows only programs that have had more bugs than Bob Marley's hair.
 
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I would love to find a damn email client that has a pop feature that runs in your system tray, so it notifies you of having mail, even if you dont have the email client open.
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Outlook in Office '03 has this, as I have my outlooked docked in my tray, and it pops up with new emails.
It does a send/receive every minute.
I know some older versions do this too, because I had it that way on my work computer last summer, and that ran 2000 pro (or whatever that windows version is called).
 
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IMO Outlook 2003 is one of Microsoft's better products out there. I love how messages are automatically grouped by how long ago they were received. The junk mail filter has been great too. I haven't had a false positive in probably a year.

Does anybody still use Outlook Express? Now that is a steaming pile of shit. That's why they're getting rid of it in Longhorn.
 
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Maybe I'll look at it. For the last 5+ years Outlook has been an absolute crapshoot. I've owned Office suites and just stopped bothering to install that program for that reason...
 
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Um ... NO
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Dry.........think someone else misunderstood that comment as well. How many people would be using the Internet right now if it wasnt for MS products?

You mean to tell me that all these drooling vegetables would be using unix/linux, or even mac?

Does anybody still use Outlook Express?
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Ohh yes they do. In fact about 99% of our customers use it. I never really messed with Outlook 2003, not for any particular reason, cept that I just never got around to trying it.
 
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BrutusMaximus said:
Dry.........think someone else misunderstood that comment as well. How many people would be using the Internet right now if it wasnt for MS products?

You mean to tell me that all these drooling vegetables would be using unix/linux, or even mac?


Ohh yes they do. In fact about 99% of our customers use it. I never really messed with Outlook 2003, not for any particular reason, cept that I just never got around to trying it.
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You act as tho IBM or another company would not have done a lot of pioneering... MS has brought us some good things but they've also leapfrogged from IBM's / Mac's(who leapfrogged from Xerox) work...

And I think BMax's last line is very telling... would I be right in wondering if that was b/c the last few outlooks were so bad you had no desire to check ou tthe new one? That was my rationale...
 
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And I think BMax's last line is very telling... would I be right in wondering if that was b/c the last few outlooks were so bad you had no desire to check ou tthe new one? That was my rationale...
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Yeah you might not be too far off there. I did use Outlook 98 and 2k, didnt like either of them. Honestly Outlook Express works perfectly fine if you are good at doing your windows updates, turnning off signatures, that kind of crap. It's full of exploits, just like Win XP is.

You act as tho IBM or another company would not have done a lot of pioneering... MS has brought us some good things but they've also leapfrogged from IBM's / Mac's(who leapfrogged from Xerox) work...
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No that is not what I am saying. I am not saying MS invented the internet, or even had a huge hand in it's design. What I am saying is, that Internet would not be nearly as easy to use if not for MS. Sure some of their work came from Apple, IBM, etc...........but look at a mac right now and tell me if it's as simple to use as Windows. No, while much more stable and secure, it is not as easy to use. Keep in mind I am not referring to you, or me, I am referring to 87 year old Ethel who gets online to respond with her kids and grandkids via email.
 
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I wouldn't hang my hat on apple at all, they were merely the first ones to run with Xerox's groundbreaking GUI interface...

I always found it interesting that Outlook Express seemed better than their premium Outlook program...

And I agree MS has brought us some good things. I am just from the generation which saw MS not innovate at all in many areas until forced to... which is why most of us stuck with 98 or 2000 for years before going to xp (obviously all skipping me). And it never makes me real happy when they run good programs and programming languages like Netscape/Java.
 
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AOL was just the hitman Gates hired :) I've got tons of respect for his business savvy, and the only way they could have taken them down quicker would have been to let Real get their hands on Netscape
 
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Dry.........think someone else misunderstood that comment as well. How many people would be using the Internet right now if it wasnt for MS products?
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I'd argue exactly as many as there are now, because somebody else would've stepped in to fill the void. When I worked at an ISP in the mid/late 90s, the first 500 subscribers were coming over from Mac OS 7, OS/2 Warp, Amiga, and DOS 6.2/Win 3.1 in equal parts and trading in their CompuServe subscriptions for 'true' 14.4K dial-up. That first year, 1995, was all the hardcore PC users from the BBS community who already had Internet e-mail through FidoNet. From '95 until '97, even with the release of Windows '95, I would estimate more than half our subscribers were still DOS 6.2/Win 3.1 users or Mac OS 7.

Anyone who has setup the Trumpet Winsock/Netscape 2.0/Eudora Light+Free Agent cocktail on Windows 3.1 knows that 10 million people logged onto the Internet in spite of Microsoft, not because of them.

Companies otherwise known for producing Crap (with a capital 'C'), like Acer and Packard Bell, with their sub-$2,000 PCs were bigger catalysts in putting the Internet in every home than Microsoft ever was. Hell, I would even argue that id Software was more responsible than Microsoft, since Doom gave everyone a reason to buy a PC, Doom 2 gave them a reason to figure out what FTP was, and TCP/IP Quake single handedly killed direct-dial modem-to-modem gaming.

The very concept of 16-player Quake alone sold another 10 million computers (with 3dfx Voodoo graphics daughtercards, of course) and Internet accounts.

The Internet was going to happen no matter who weilded control over the desktop interface. The fact that Microsoft dismissed the Internet for so many years, then resorted to licensing Spyglass Mosaic and outright stealing the BSD TCP/IP stack to jump start the IE stack & dialer illustrates this. The two core products that compose IE aren't even attributable to Microsoft. They never wrote any of it.
 
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All you need to hate Microsoft...



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