Thank you. When will people learn that being a member of a religion doesn't necessitate football allegience. I'll bet my paycheck that more Catholics attend Ohio State than Notre Dame.
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Thank you. When will people learn that being a member of a religion doesn't necessitate football allegience. I'll bet my paycheck that more Catholics attend Ohio State than Notre Dame.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying it didn't happen, I was just saying that they over there don't believe it happened, as it pertained to the context of the quote in question.
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Of course more Catholics attend OSU than ND; because OSU is a much bigger school!!!
DUH!!!!!
My point was that I have met MANY catholics who have TOLD ME that they are ND fans BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION. Your point has NOTHING TO DO with this FACT!! This is not something that you can dispute, as it is MY life and MY experience. If you don't like it, TAKE it up with the catholics that DO believe that their religion should affect their football allegience.
Do they not teach LOGIC at OSU anymore!?!?!?!?
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ulukinatme
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Yes, its true many catholics are ND fans because of religion, but is there anything wrong with that? I don't quite understand how that issue came up? Just stating fact?
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ND has a huge following. Therefore there are tons of nominal fans, just like any fanbase. That group surely includes fans of ND based on their religion.
However, there are a ton of catholics who do not like ND football at all. To suggest that being catholic requires rooting for ND is a large stretch, and a large stereotype.
You can make a point about a trend you have observed without insisting that the catholic church itself across the country brainwashes you into becoming a domer for life.
However, there are a ton of catholics who do not like ND football at all. To suggest that being catholic requires rooting for ND is a large stretch, and a large stereotype.
You can make a point about a trend you have observed without insisting that the catholic church itself across the country brainwashes you into becoming a domer for life.
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buckiprof
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I have met numerous people and have some friends who are ND football supporters simply because of religion. They have said this to me and I believe it. All that has told me over the years is that there are some Catholics who cheer for ND football simply because of religion. Even with these experiences, I never once thought that there was any type of indoctrination taking place in the Catholic church programming all to cheer for ND. To me, and this may be "arrogant", I never consider these type of supporters to be true fans; it simply gave them something to identify with.
My brother-in-law is an ND graduate. He went there due to religion. His sons are recent ND graduates. They went there by choice, not because of religion. They had their choices narrowed down to ND and OSU, but they grew up in an ND household. So in my family, I have a relative who went there because of religion and 2 who went to ND irrespective of religion. (As a side note, there are a helluva lot of Methodists in this country, yet I have never met an SMU football fan simply because of religion
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IMO, ND's national fan base has grown over time, or maybe a better choice of words is that it got some assistance, partly due to its affiliation with religion. (Would my nephews have gone to ND if their father hadn't?)Think back to the early 1920's or 1930's. How many immigrants coming to the country, knowing nothing or maybe little about football, hear about ND (the Catholic university) and if the immigrant is Catholic, it gives them something to identify with? I knew one such immigrant in my hometown who fits this description.
With that said, I despise ND more than any other program. But their "true" fans aren't as arrogant as Cryami fan nor scUM fan. And scUM fan who is also an alum is usually the most arrogant SOB around.
My brother-in-law is an ND graduate. He went there due to religion. His sons are recent ND graduates. They went there by choice, not because of religion. They had their choices narrowed down to ND and OSU, but they grew up in an ND household. So in my family, I have a relative who went there because of religion and 2 who went to ND irrespective of religion. (As a side note, there are a helluva lot of Methodists in this country, yet I have never met an SMU football fan simply because of religion
)IMO, ND's national fan base has grown over time, or maybe a better choice of words is that it got some assistance, partly due to its affiliation with religion. (Would my nephews have gone to ND if their father hadn't?)Think back to the early 1920's or 1930's. How many immigrants coming to the country, knowing nothing or maybe little about football, hear about ND (the Catholic university) and if the immigrant is Catholic, it gives them something to identify with? I knew one such immigrant in my hometown who fits this description.
With that said, I despise ND more than any other program. But their "true" fans aren't as arrogant as Cryami fan nor scUM fan. And scUM fan who is also an alum is usually the most arrogant SOB around.
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combined with the general feel of this post, it's pretty easy to see how we got the wrong idea.
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ulukinatme
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Yeah, its certainly not something the Catholic church brainwashes their congregations with. In fact, until a year or two ago, Notre Dame has never even been mentioned at a mass I've been to, and we're the "go every Sunday" practicing Catholics.
The one time the words "Notre Dame" did come up in a mass was during the homily, the pastor said:
"Two good things happened yesterday if you're a Catholic living in Ohio: Notre Dame won, and Michigan lost." :tongue2: It was after ND's win over scUM at home last year.
Once in 23 years of church isn't much, heh heh.
The one time the words "Notre Dame" did come up in a mass was during the homily, the pastor said:
"Two good things happened yesterday if you're a Catholic living in Ohio: Notre Dame won, and Michigan lost." :tongue2: It was after ND's win over scUM at home last year.
Once in 23 years of church isn't much, heh heh.
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Not to add fuel to this fire, but isn't the whole "subway alumni" thing something that Notre Dame people promote and take seriously? Seems like it is encouraged by the school, to me at least. There's nothing inherently wrong with that...except that many of the subway alumni seem to have much worse attitudes than the actual alumni.
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I don't know about brainwashing, but I have relatives that went to Catholic grade schools in Ohio in the 1930s. The nuns would give the kids chocolate bars on Monday morning - but only if Notre Dame had won their game on Saturday. This was during the Depression, and getting a choclate bar was a pretty big thing for those kids back then. Enough for many of them to develop a habit of pulling for Notre Dame to win.
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